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      07-18-2019, 05:50 PM   #67
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i doubt it...the current supra has a signifcantly shorter wheel base compared to the current m2. Most manufacturers do not shrink cars with the newer models..its usually the opposite. They usually get larger by a .5-3inch.

it would make more sense just to keep the current M2 platform and just extend the wheel base by .5inch, maybe add some more high tensile steel to reduce weight and increase ragidity. The B58 already fits in the current platform..i'm sure it wouldnt take much to fit a s58 into it if they wanted too.
I think that they will use the new platform for the G87. The current M2 is basically an M4 under the body with a shorter wheel base. It wouldn't be that difficult to change the length of the wheelbase. The current chassis is going bye bye IMHO.
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      07-19-2019, 10:05 AM   #68
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I think that they will use the new platform for the G87. The current M2 is basically an M4 under the body with a shorter wheel base. It wouldn't be that difficult to change the length of the wheelbase. The current chassis is going bye bye IMHO.
i thought about it again, your probably right.
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      07-19-2019, 11:41 AM   #69
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First time I've heard that. Idea isn't bad.

But the source of the info/gossip?
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MR: Any news you can share about the M2 CS? Will it be a significant upgrade over M2 C and OG M2?
Nothing other than you already have seen and what leaked out. I am not fuzzed by that car.

I decided to get a X3 M40i pre-opf as a new daily and finish M2C. The GP2.5 will leave I think and I might a GP3 as a replacement. Other than that, I am just gonna wait and see what happens.

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      07-24-2019, 11:34 AM   #70
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Maybe in 3-4 years when the Supra is ready for a refresh. No way they will give this motor to Toyota before they put it in the M3.
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      07-24-2019, 11:37 AM   #71
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If the supra gets the S58 that will be a rocket. That would be awesome.
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      08-07-2019, 03:56 PM   #72
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This is why I love the n55 engine in OG M2. It's more special, yet reliable and lighter in weight.
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      08-07-2019, 04:03 PM   #73
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Which car is faster the new Supra or M2c in a straight line?
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      08-07-2019, 04:47 PM   #74
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Which car is faster the new Supra or M2c in a straight line?
Looks like supra is faster 0-60
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      08-09-2019, 02:44 PM   #75
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This is why I love the n55 engine in OG M2. It's more special, yet reliable and lighter in weight.
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This is why I love the n55 engine in OG M2. It's more special, yet reliable and lighter in weight.
They knew when they made up the first ever Original M2 . They wanted it to be special , not just do the easy job ( throw the s55 of their flagship) But they should rename it to S56 for example , not with an N .. thats their mistake . When the first ever original M3 E30 produced , the engine block was again from BMW 318-320 ... its kinda same thing .
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      08-10-2019, 12:59 PM   #76
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Here are my random/scattered thoughts...

The C8 put the world on notice. Other brands are being forced to pick up the pace.

Regarding more power... I have learned that throwing more power at a car is fruitless without the chassis to handle it. A lesson learned from my 16' M3 (which could not handle it) to my SS 1LE (which can).

Does the Supra have the chassis to take more power, not sure , I haven't driven one, but moving forward that will be a factor in my buying decision.

A prefer a balanced sports car where everything works together as a total package.
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      08-13-2019, 11:52 AM   #77
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good engine is a good engine, who cares it goes to where, if Toyota makes them even more reliable the better...

C8 without Z51 package won't do 0-60 under 3 seconds, and the first gear is tuned to get that 0 to 60, Corvette has always been the best bang for the buck, and handling has been there since C6, so I just don't see it as game changer as others have been saying
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      08-13-2019, 12:06 PM   #78
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You heard it here. The answer about the S58 on a Toyota = NO
The Japanese sportcar Supra's B58 is not on the same level as an M's S58. Munich will not give a rival sportcar its great engine.
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      08-13-2019, 01:06 PM   #79
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Meh, M engines without ITBs, in SUVs and saddled to ZF8s. Go ahead and stick them in Toyotas.
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Why share an engine that was designed and produced specifically for M with a car from another brand!?
I know man. It's like the stupid McLaren F1 project. What was BMW thinking?!
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I know man. It's like the stupid McLaren F1 project. What was BMW thinking?!
Not to mention Wiesmann GmbH using the S54 and S85 in their cars!
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      08-13-2019, 03:02 PM   #82
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"(Tune Only) 2020 GR Supra MKV lays down 485hp and 513tq"

Why would Toyota need the S58?
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      08-13-2019, 03:27 PM   #83
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"(Tune Only) 2020 GR Supra MKV lays down 485hp and 513tq"

Why would Toyota need the S58?
Alpina lives by that motto
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      08-13-2019, 04:09 PM   #84
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Doesn't Local Motors use BMW engines? I know there are all of about ten of them, but hey.
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      08-14-2019, 11:51 PM   #85
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Think about driving a BMW <Z4> and a Toyota Supra pulls up next to you with exactly the same engine and sounds the same.
Agreed
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      08-16-2019, 03:35 PM   #86
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For me, the last truly analog and raw M-cars were the E9X cars. Naturally aspirated, no fake sounds inside, hydraulic power steering, etc...plus they sound better than any M-car in history. That's the one to hold on to if you're lucky enough to have one. Besides those cars, I'd have to say the E46 M3 is probably a close second place in terms of a raw, analog driving experience.

1M, M2, and the newer M3/4 are not cars that I would consider analog really in any sense other than the fact that you can still get them with manual transmissions.
The 1M has hydraulic steering, too, so I’m not sure where you’re getting that the E92 is more analog. The 1M is generally considered more fun to drive than the oversized E92 (and M2,) and it’s really the spiritual successor to the 2002 Turbo from the early ‘70s.
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"(Tune Only) 2020 GR Supra MKV lays down 485hp and 513tq"

Why would Toyota need the S58?
Reliability at those high power numbers.
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      08-17-2019, 01:51 AM   #88
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Reliability at those high power numbers.
PTF tuned it beyond 500hp now, and papadakis racing has picked the engine apart and thinks it's good for 1000hp..
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