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I prefer a DCT. | 235 | 60.57% | |
I prefer a traditional AT. | 32 | 8.25% | |
Either is fine with me. | 53 | 13.66% | |
I don't care. No manual, no purchase. | 68 | 17.53% | |
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06-12-2020, 02:07 AM | #331 | |
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The M3/M4 is a road legal car, but still more sporty than the normal 3/4 Series. It meant to be used primarily on the road, not the track.
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Sure, but M3/4s have always been track-worthy steet cars with minimal modification needed for proper track work. So I disagree that Ms should diverge further from this motorsport gene by switching to an AT. Like SYT_Shadow said, a future CS or CSL model should use a DCT.
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I was planning on returning my CS in 2 years and getting the G8X, but now I think I will keep the CS. I really like the DCT. The Motorsport gene is very much alive in the F8X generation |
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Street cars that can easily and cheaply be turned into track monsters. It is not some kind of accident that competitions like AER, where people can run whatever car they want, are 80% BMWs |
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06-13-2020, 03:06 PM | #336 |
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I googled this because I noticed no scream when kickdown / downshifting in M8 , didnt like it. It is more visible in rolling race bmw m8 vs bmw m2 video.
its getting worse in each generation. |
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Let's talk about the transmission some more
Over the last two years, I have been reviewing the G8x images and info. As a previous person indicated, the engine and transmission have taken a distant back seat to the looks (in particular the grille) of the next generation M3/M4. More powerful...faster...option for AWD. All positive changes. I love my F80...have never reached ceiling of vehicle in 5 years, but I have grown attached to the DCT. It's not a PDK, but I enjoy having the equivalent of a F1 transmission at that price point. This is what I will miss if I upgrade to the G8x.
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I have recently test driven an F90 M5 back to back with my DCT M4cs and a PDK 992 C4. Great car, but my biggest dissapointment with it is the transmission. It feels sluggish and heavy compared to a dual clutch.
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My FIL had a '13 M5 and just upgraded to a '20 M5 and the new M5 is probably the fastest car I've ever been in. It's a monster and I can tell you the motor pulls so hard you don't really think about the new transmission. The AWD just shines and overshadows everything. I would imagine the new G80 will be the same way. |
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I drove the M8 Comp and M5 Comp over multiple weekends and would disagree with you! The only thing is ... Both the M5 & M8 are super easy to drive, maybe just too easy. |
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I guess it depends what you are after. The 8AT is more refined and comfortable as a daily driver, but lacks the crispness of a DCT on track. The move to the 8AT is probably what will have me change camps after 20 years of M3/4 ownership.
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Now they use dog clutch Which would be awesome in M but the are jerky (SMG wasn't very popular becuase if this) and they are loud in terms of road noise. |
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Not sure what you mean by this. As far as I know, F1 still have a friction clutch to de-couple the engine from the transmission and is used for starts and downshifts. Dog clutches couple the gears to the shaft just like in any manual, sequential or DCT transmission, nothing special here...
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07-09-2020, 07:24 PM | #346 | |
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The DCT programming in the M5 and M6 was much better than the M3/M4 too, it never suffered from those lazy upshifts at part throttle like the M3/M4. I never drove a CS version though, maybe that was fixed. |
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I have seen this comment before but I have no idea where it spawned from. As an owner of an actual vehicle sporting the transmission I haven't found that to be the case at all and haven't seen that noted in any Supra reviews either. I don't have the time in an F80 DCT to compare but paddle inputs are as quick or quicker than a VAG DSG IMO.
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That put me off trying an BMW DCT for many years - but eventually I did with my second E92, and subsequently in both my F82s. There was a huge difference between the M-DCT in these cars and the VAG DSG that I drove. When I drive a ZF8 in an X3M, I find it's relatively responsive to upshift inputs, but laggy on downshifts. Of course, all things are relative - it's a huge improvement over previous BMW ATs, and for those who are happy to let the car make the gear decisions then they probably won't notice. |
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Your description about pulling the paddle at 5.5k to make sure the gearbox changes at 7k+ is absurd it's no different to the MDCT pull the paddle and it changes.
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I think I have said on this thread or perhaps another the M ZF8 is the least of any prospective G80 M3/4 owners worries.
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