[CP911]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I have been away at the X7 event where the clients collected theirs (M50d)and got to see the X7 Concept pick up.

In the flesh the pick up is actually quite interesting but the rear end does not impress in real life as much as it does not in the photographs. If they left the actual rear of the X7 it would be fine. But then it is a showcase for the next generation of engineering and design talent at BMW.

Let me reiterate I have not seen the M3/M4 in person but they do promise an unseen M @ the Porto M8 gathering next month.
But in relation to THE 4?

The Grille is not that dramatic. If we are being honest the car is the Vision iDynamics but when you look how the front end of the concept is really quite flat. It has been raised to meet the ubiquitous safety requirements for pedestrians etc. So it is essentially quite high as the photographs provide the evidence which is reflected in the prototypes with their raised front facias.

The render has an Alfa like quality to it which is unusual for a BMW but it's not as dramatic as the render. This is however THE 4. I cannot offer an opinion on the M3/M4.(yet) other than it gets the same face.

What I like about the new 4 is very much what I have said all along.
It takes the best of the F22 to the more flowing organic elements of THE 8 and brings forth an equally sporty looking concept.
How this new interpretation of the iconic kidney grille blends with the car is to give it far more purpose than just a smaller version of THE 8.

Although it sits front and centre. The kidney grille adds a definite sporting presence with slimmer headlights and sculpted aerodynamics with the need for over use of plastic appendages.(M Sport)

Controversial? yes, decisive?indeed. But it works perfectly. Iconic sportiness, modern interpretation and a powerful presence.
THE 4 is very much going to be a modern icon.

Scott, thank you for chiming in.

However, I am confused how or why BMW decided to use the i brand's Vision Dynamics concept car as the basis for the styling of the new 4 and hence, the upcoming M3/M4. What sense did it make to take the electric i brand styling and directly translate this to what is supposed to be BMW's bread and butter M car?

Also, there is a huge discrepancy between what you are saying the car will look like i.e. exactly like the Vision Dynamics car and what we see in this render - the VD concept has a joined grille like an outlined version of the X7 grille, but the render car has twin kidneys separated by the bumper surface just like a "classic" twin kidney setup. Even with your explanation about raising it for pedestrian safety standards, there is a link missing in your story.

Please clarify, if you would be so kind.

Thanks again!

[Miko M]

Originally Posted by R N M

Why are we resisting these changes??????

Well lets take a look:
- RWD to AWD
- DCT to Auto
- Smaller/Lighter to Larger/Heavier
- Manual to No Manual
- Tasteful Sporty styling to Gimmicky fake vents and Huge grille

BTW i have purchased 5 new BMWs over past 10yrs so they should listen to their customer base.
My brother got a Porsche 911 after having 3 BMWs and is not coming back anytime soon.

BMW needs to wake up and remember what made them an aspirational brand.

Perfectly said!!!

That's why Porsche listen to the customer and end up bringing manual to some models back.

[SamienHanif35]

This is going to be big... a major shift in design, software and pretty much aesthetics!!!! Just compare e30 to e46 to e90-92 to f80 and now GM3... what a drastic change bmw is taking.. hope pricing is still maintained...

Can already picture my configuration:

Exterior: Grey
Interior: blue/black/carbon fiber
Carbon ceramic brake system (YELLOW!!!)
Competition badge...
Frosted 763m wheels

What are your imagined specs??

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by SamienHanif35

This is going to be big... a major shift in design, software and pretty much aesthetics!!!! Just compare e30 to e46 to e90-92 to f80 and now GM3... what a drastic change bmw is taking.. hope pricing is still maintained...

Can already picture my configuration:

Exterior: Grey
Interior: blue/black/carbon fiber
Carbon ceramic brake system (YELLOW!!!)
Competition badge...
Frosted 763m wheels

What are your imagined specs??

Well I can honestly say that the competition badge isn't part of my equation

[SamienHanif35]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Well I can honestly say that the competition badge isn't part of my equation

Didn't realize that was an error, meant competition package

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by SamienHanif35

Didn't realize that was an error, meant competition package

I know man. Just messing around

[atorrealba]

Is the F80 going to basically be the """""last (looking) M3""""" now

[BMWRL]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I have been away at the X7 event where the clients collected theirs (M50d)and got to see the X7 Concept pick up.

In the flesh the pick up is actually quite interesting but the rear end does not impress in real life as much as it does not in the photographs. If they left the actual rear of the X7 it would be fine. But then it is a showcase for the next generation of engineering and design talent at BMW.

Let me reiterate I have not seen the M3/M4 in person but they do promise an unseen M @ the Porto M8 gathering next month.
But in relation to THE 4?

The Grille is not that dramatic. If we are being honest the car is the Vision iDynamics but when you look how the front end of the concept is really quite flat. It has been raised to meet the ubiquitous safety requirements for pedestrians etc. So it is essentially quite high as the photographs provide the evidence which is reflected in the prototypes with their raised front facias.

The render has an Alfa like quality to it which is unusual for a BMW but it's not as dramatic as the render. This is however THE 4. I cannot offer an opinion on the M3/M4.(yet) other than it gets the same face.

What I like about the new 4 is very much what I have said all along.
It takes the best of the F22 to the more flowing organic elements of THE 8 and brings forth an equally sporty looking concept.
How this new interpretation of the iconic kidney grille blends with the car is to give it far more purpose than just a smaller version of THE 8.

Although it sits front and centre. The kidney grille adds a definite sporting presence with slimmer headlights and sculpted aerodynamics with the need for over use of plastic appendages.(M Sport)

Controversial? yes, decisive?indeed. But it works perfectly. Iconic sportiness, modern interpretation and a powerful presence.
THE 4 is very much going to be a modern icon.

Yes, the X7 truck would look so much better with a rear using the existing X7s taillights or similar like this render I came across. I love this version of the pickup, minus the spoiler...

[atorrealba]

Originally Posted by R N M

Why are we resisting these changes??????

Well lets take a look:
- RWD to AWD
- DCT to Auto
- Smaller/Lighter to Larger/Heavier
- Manual to No Manual
- Tasteful Sporty styling to Gimmicky fake vents and Huge grille

BTW i have purchased 5 new BMWs over past 10yrs so they should listen to their customer base.
My brother got a Porsche 911 after having 3 BMWs and is not coming back anytime soon.

BMW needs to wake up and remember what made them an aspirational brand.

You want to know whose to blame for all of these horrible changes?

That retarded brit host from "carwow" and his pathetic youtube "drag race" results in which the F8x M3s are consistently getting tossed by AMGs/Giulas etc

[Atombyte]

Originally Posted by R N M

Why are we resisting these changes??????

Well lets take a look:
- RWD to AWD
- DCT to Auto
- Smaller/Lighter to Larger/Heavier
- Manual to No Manual
- Tasteful Sporty styling to Gimmicky fake vents and Huge grille

BTW i have purchased 5 new BMWs over past 10yrs so they should listen to their customer base.
My brother got a Porsche 911 after having 3 BMWs and is not coming back anytime soon.

BMW needs to wake up and remember what made them an aspirational brand.

Originally Posted by R N M

Why are we resisting these changes??????

Well lets take a look:
- RWD to AWD
- DCT to Auto
- Smaller/Lighter to Larger/Heavier
- Manual to No Manual
- Tasteful Sporty styling to Gimmicky fake vents and Huge grille

BTW i have purchased 5 new BMWs over past 10yrs so they should listen to their customer base.
My brother got a Porsche 911 after having 3 BMWs and is not coming back anytime soon.

BMW needs to wake up and remember what made them an aspirational brand.

RWD to AWD might be a good thing. Had both and AWD puts the power down better.
DCT to Auto: who cares. Shouldn't exist in a M car. See point 4 below
Lighter is always better
No manual is an aberration. A proper M car should have 3 pedals IMO. Yes the new autos can shift faster, but what's the point if the driver isn't involved.

[BwoodBMW]

I'm so scared for this car. Looking forward to the platform changes like awd... it's the styling that they are going to blow. Hope I'm wrong but this big grill phase has to die. Just not growing on me.

[Ghostriderf80]

Type r lol, probably they thought add more spoilers and grills till it looks like a puffer fish. people will buy... lol

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

Oh yeah

What is sad this car looks already dated.

Cayenne coupe turbo still a good deal.

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by xjz

Fits the car better... and here come the Kia remarks ....

More of a tie fighter.

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

What is sad this car looks already dated.

Cayenne coupe turbo still a good deal.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 get a life.

[Ghostriderf80]

We all should write an email to Oliver Zipse at BMW suggesting to scrap that grill design for the G80. No ugly grill please for M3 as subject line.

Anyone clever enough to find his email address. It won't get ignored.

[NO611]

"not great, not terrible."

[M4_Ronin]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

We all should write an email to Oliver Zipse at BMW suggesting to scrap that grill design for the G80. No ugly grill please for M3 as subject line.

Anyone clever enough to find his email address. It won't get ignored.

We've already trolled the US Government... We can definitely troll BMW...

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

�������� get a life.

Like I said it looks dated in design already.

[ChrisM4]

Originally Posted by R N M

Why are we resisting these changes??????

Well lets take a look:
- RWD to AWD
- DCT to Auto
- Smaller/Lighter to Larger/Heavier
- Manual to No Manual
- Tasteful Sporty styling to Gimmicky fake vents and Huge grille

BTW i have purchased 5 new BMWs over past 10yrs so they should listen to their customer base.
My brother got a Porsche 911 after having 3 BMWs and is not coming back anytime soon.

BMW needs to wake up and remember what made them an aspirational brand.

Yes exactly.

If they'd offer both AWD and RWD that would be fine, you would still (hopefully) get all those awesome driving dynamics from the RWD car. I hope DCT is still offered.

The exterior design is very important. The reason certain design elements are classic and carry forward (H kink in rear window, properly proportioned kidneys etc) is because people love them, they maintain lineage through the product family for generations and draw people to buy the cars. I don't know if BMW are hiring designer / creative directors with no clue of the history of the brand or if we've reached that point where designers have the attention span of gnats.

If they screw up this car I'm going to a different brand or just buying out my M2 at the end of the lease.

[Deda]

Well after long wainting for an opinion from Scott26 i feel like i am in a story about philosopher..Story goes like this...One guy asked a question to philosopher(Scott26) and he give him(us) an answer...he(we) tottaly forgot what was the question,after philosopher answered his q.....this is how i feel after Scott26 answer to all of us...dark,nothing.

[Who's on first]

I would buy this in exactly 3.1 seconds.