[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Antec800

Chevy ss is no where near as good as drivers car compared to a even a f30 340 especially when you add in adaptive suspension or m sport suspension, and I owned a g8 gt with over 550hp and Chevy ss, along with a 17 340i and now a 2020 m340

Your in a small minority then, most have nothing but great things to say about the SS' driving dynamics. Its even been referred to by many as a modern day E39. GM has much better chassis tuning than BMW these days in my opinion.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-chevrolet-ss/

[The Outrage]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

My huge Chevy SS is a better driver's car than the 3 series. (MagneRide is amazing).

I've owned a 2016 Chevrolet SS and I currently own a 2020 M340i. I don't agree with that statement.

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

Your in a small minority then, most have nothing but great things to say about the SS' driving dynamics. Its even been referred to by many as a modern day E39. GM has much better chassis tuning than BMW these days in my opinion.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-chevrolet-ss/

Not better just target audience changed...

[Antec800]

Originally Posted by clee1982

Not better just target audience changed...

The ss didn’t handle any different then my g8 for a 4200lb car don’t get wrong it handled well compared to friends chargers and challangers actually a lot better, but it does not really compare to a 340, it’s more comparable to the 5 series.

[MmmmmM2]

I've owned a Cadillac before...Never again.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by Antec800

The ss didn't handle any different then my g8 for a 4200lb car don't get wrong it handled well compared to friends chargers and challangers actually a lot better, but it does not really compare to a 340, it's more comparable to the 5 series.

Judged solely for fun behind the wheel, I'd take the ss over a regular 5 series any day. The Chevy ss obviously can't compare on luxury, but there's something special about driving a big 4-door rwd sedan with a roaring 6.2L V8. It feels very old school in a good, badass way. Also magneride is amazing.

[stein_325i]

Based off of new leaks, the M3/4 might actually have some good competition in the form of the CT5-V/Blackwing/Whatever the Name will be.

Cue the Cadillac quality, interior, GM and design comments, but, this CT5 will have the Corvette's LT4 6.2L SC V8 engine paired to a MANUAL transmission, not to mention its based off the excellent Alpha Platform, and Cadillac/GM's chassis, steering and suspension tuning skills are pretty impressive in recent vehicles such as the ATS-V and CTS-V. With the confirmation of the manual on the CT5, it is possible that the smaller CT4 (which will use a Turbocharged V6) could also receive a manual.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

Based off of new leaks, the M3/4 might actually have some good competition in the form of the CT5-V/Blackwing/Whatever the Name will be.

Cue the Cadillac quality, interior, GM and design comments, but, this CT5 will have the Corvette's LT4 6.2L SC V8 engine paired to a MANUAL transmission, not to mention its based off the excellent Alpha Platform, and Cadillac/GM's chassis, steering and suspension tuning skills are pretty impressive in recent vehicles such as the ATS-V and CTS-V. With the confirmation of the manual on the CT5, it is possible that the smaller CT4 (which will use a Turbocharged V6) could also receive a manual.

Cadillac did well with the ATS/CTS but seems they took a step back with these latest cars (or just not kept up with competition).

As far as the manual is concerned, I've appreciated their willingness to offer manuals in the lower trim cars in the past, but I'm not certain if offering a manual in the blackwing means anything for their current lineup of lower trims, as the G80 will also be offered in a manual.

I will say, back in the day for the CTS-V, cadillac had one of the most badass magazine advertisements i've seen:

"Why did Cadillac build a 556 horsepower luxury car with a manual transmission? Because there are those who still believe in the power of a firm handshake."

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Cadillac did well with the ATS/CTS but seems they took a step back with these latest cars (or just not kept up with competition).

As far as the manual is concerned, I've appreciated their willingness to offer manuals in the lower trim cars in the past, but I'm not certain if offering a manual in the blackwing means anything for their current lineup of lower trims, as the G80 will also be offered in a manual.

I will say, back in the day for the CTS-V, cadillac had one of the most badass magazine advertisements i've seen:

"Why did Cadillac build a 556 horsepower luxury car with a manual transmission? Because there are those who still believe in the power of a firm handshake."

That is a good advertisement. As for the manual tranny, I know it won't sell well, but for those who may be against the new M3/4 regarding design, or those arguing that the M3 is the only way to go because of the manual, they do have one other choice of vehicle with a manual, as long as they go in with an open mind and less bias.

While the base trims (4-cylinder) haven't been received well, the new CT5-V (V6 trim (which is now an M-Performance competitor)) has received glowing reviews regarding the driving experience, handling and tuning of the car.

Personally I can't wait to see this car in person. My friend has an 18' CTS-V and it drives really well, so the addition of a new interior (with actual physical controls and no more CUE) and a manual while still being based on the excellent chassis of the CTS-V should hopefully make for an exciting vehicle, which sadly many won't buy though.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

That is a good advertisement. As for the manual tranny, I know it won't sell well, but for those who may be against the new M3/4 regarding design, or those arguing that the M3 is the only way to go because of the manual, they do have one other choice of vehicle with a manual, as long as they go in with an open mind and less bias.

While the base trims (4-cylinder) haven't been received well, the new CT5-V (V6 trim (which is now an M-Performance competitor)) has received glowing reviews regarding the driving experience, handling and tuning of the car.

Personally I can't wait to see this car in person. My friend has an 18' CTS-V and it drives really well, so the addition of a new interior (with actual physical controls and no more CUE) and a manual while still being based on the excellent chassis of the CTS-V should hopefully make for an exciting vehicle, which sadly many won't buy though.

I guess I hadn't seen reviews for the CT5-V (most I think just reference that a CT5-V is part of the lineup but don't actually go into it).

I'm all for good competition, keeps everyone on their toes. More competition just means more (and better) choices for us consumers.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

That is a good advertisement. As for the manual tranny, I know it won't sell well, but for those who may be against the new M3/4 regarding design, or those arguing that the M3 is the only way to go because of the manual, they do have one other choice of vehicle with a manual, as long as they go in with an open mind and less bias.

While the base trims (4-cylinder) haven't been received well, the new CT5-V (V6 trim (which is now an M-Performance competitor)) has received glowing reviews regarding the driving experience, handling and tuning of the car.

Personally I can't wait to see this car in person. My friend has an 18' CTS-V and it drives really well, so the addition of a new interior (with actual physical controls and no more CUE) and a manual while still being based on the excellent chassis of the CTS-V should hopefully make for an exciting vehicle, which sadly many won't buy though.

Many won't buy, but will bemoan the loss of manuals and big v8 engines in the luxury sports sedan class.
A sedan or coupe with the sc 6.2L, built on the alpha chassis definitely sounds like an exciting package. Sadly, many want the more fashionable badge, and the above characteristics take a back seat.