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      02-05-2020, 07:44 PM   #23
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Lots negativity about m340 here. I love my car, imho best car in it's class
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Lots negativity about m340 here. I love my car, imho best car in it's class
Lots of negativity from folks who don't own one.
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Exactly! I enjoy my car daily and have no regrets getting it over the competition. It's the best fit for me.
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Lots of negativity from folks who don't own one.
The 2020 M340 is one of if not the best Sedan BMW has put out in years
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look at my reply few posts up.
Your response to the follow up question for where that "better value elsewhere" might be is the equivalent of telling someone to go buy a Toyota Corolla and invest the $50k in real estate instead.

Asset value isn't exactly the reason someone looks to purchase a BMW, or any luxury car for that matter. Which is why anyone asking you where that better value for $70k that you claimed might be is doing so expecting suggestion of another car for similar pricing that might be better than a loaded M340.
Asset value shouldn't be any reason to buy a new car, whether that's a Toyota or a BMW. It's just that these are BMW forums, thus, the majority of people own / drive BMW's.

And I'm also not talking about 'asset value', since all cars depreciate. But there is a clear value proposition for all vehicles dependent on their class. So you can't say buy a Toyota and dump 50K in real estate because we're on these forums for a reason. We like these cars and are willing to pay a premium.

The M340 is a great car that I'm looking at myself, but if I had to pay 70K I would at least try to wait for the new M3 and see what it looks like. Again, I'm not going to say what's a better value proposition because I'm a fanboy, but I think 70K is a bit overkill for features that are not fully implemented.
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look at my reply few posts up.
Your response to the follow up question for where that "better value elsewhere" might be is the equivalent of telling someone to go buy a Toyota Corolla and invest the $50k in real estate instead.

Asset value isn't exactly the reason someone looks to purchase a BMW, or any luxury car for that matter. Which is why anyone asking you where that better value for $70k that you claimed might be is doing so expecting suggestion of another car for similar pricing that might be better than a loaded M340.
Asset value shouldn't be any reason to buy a new car, whether that's a Toyota or a BMW. It's just that these are BMW forums, thus, the majority of people own / drive BMW's.

And I'm also not talking about 'asset value', since all cars depreciate. But there is a clear value proposition for all vehicles dependent on their class. So you can't say buy a Toyota and dump 50K in real estate because we're on these forums for a reason. We like these cars and are willing to pay a premium.

The M340 is a great car that I'm looking at myself, but if I had to pay 70K I would at least try to wait for the new M3 and see what it looks like. Again, I'm not going to say what's a better value proposition because I'm a fanboy, but I think 70K is a bit overkill for features that are not fully implemented.
New M3 will be about 90k , I would have waited for that but just out of my budget. M3 will a be a tick or two better in every category vs M340. Sharper handling and faster. M340 possibly better daily driver? If your not willing to pay 70k why then 90k? If M3 is exactly what your after then I guess it is worth it
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Asset value shouldn't be any reason to buy a new car, whether that's a Toyota or a BMW. It's just that these are BMW forums, thus, the majority of people own / drive BMW's.

And I'm also not talking about 'asset value', since all cars depreciate. But there is a clear value proposition for all vehicles dependent on their class. So you can't say buy a Toyota and dump 50K in real estate because we're on these forums for a reason. We like these cars and are willing to pay a premium.

The M340 is a great car that I'm looking at myself, but if I had to pay 70K I would at least try to wait for the new M3 and see what it looks like. Again, I'm not going to say what's a better value proposition because I'm a fanboy, but I think 70K is a bit overkill for features that are not fully implemented.
Sure, but your very own response was that "you have better value elsewhere", and then when asked what that better value elsewhere was, you gave a response equivalent to saying "go buy a corolla and invest the $50k in real estate". Since we're in a BMW forum I'll adjust it to say "go buy a bare bones X1 and invest the $34k in real estate".

The features that you mentioned that you have a problem with (OTA updates don't count because you're not checking a box and paying extra for that) are the laser lights and the backup/parking integration.

I'm surprised you think the backup/parking is ill-executed, and then reference Tesla as the baseline, which doesn't even offer a 360 birds-eye view camera. I may not use the auto-parking often, but the reverse assistant is something I use on a daily basis anytime I want to maneuver out of my garage, and it's proven to be incredibly useful and well executed.

I can understand your point on the laser lights. But even if I uncheck the executive package which includes automatic high-beams and gesture control (which I surprisingly use quite often), my car is still at ~$67k. And all of the other features I've checked off are very well executed which I use on a daily basis.

An equivalent M3 would be upwards of $90k, and it's questionable as a daily driver.
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70 K CAD is 56K USD - which is sadly a great value for a middle class car now days.

and even at 70k USD i challenge you to find the car with all the features of the M340:

modern technology

- remote start
- laser lights
- full autonomous driving Aka traffic jam assist with 3 Kafas cameras
- full connected drive features, remote view etc
- self park and self back up assist
- future platform update and features via OTA updates

Plus the performance

- under 4 sec to 60 mph
- amazing cornering and balance on track
- rear biased 4 wheel drive
- Limited slip dif
- Brembo brakes
- Available upgraded cooling
- comfortable seating for 5
- sizable trunk
- decent fuel economy
Plus the motor sounds amazing Question how noticeable is the performance between launch mode or just in sport plus for zero to 60?
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Good Deal depends on the options you want and what you are willing to sacrifice within your budget. I would use carcostcanada and unhaggle.com to get idea to compare slightly used m340 vs brand new to order.

I have the G20 330 M-sport with Excellence Package, so far no major issues as this is also my first BMW. The engine for m340i is the B58, which is carry over from F30 Model Year 2016-2018, but factory tuned and boosted to 382HP, 369 Lb-ft.

We Canadians only get Xdrive with M340i and 330i, it does perform well, occasional sliding in real heavy snow, but best traction with winter tires. Other than that drives like rails. Link here for discussion about winter tire combinations:

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1669804

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1660228

Depending on how the m340 was ordered from the factory, you can select different wheel options. By default as per carcostcanada/unhaggle, I believe the m340i summer tires come with Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. I recommend to check the ordering code(s).

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1584217


Can't comment on quality of build as my G20 M-sport was assembled in the Germany.
Looking at the build the base model plus Premium enhanced package gives me everything i would like
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My car is a 328i MY2009, so I went to the dealer to fix a recall notice.
They gave me an G20 M340 as a loaner. OMG, what a feeling!
When I seated in the car and started the engine, the sound... the sound of that engine is so perfect... it is muffled but strong, the perfect tone.
So I took the long way to my work, enjoying some back roads, trying to just get a little longer experience and feeling. When I changed to sport mode... we can hear the engine even better... It is just amazing what they did, when we decelerate and we hear that muffled pops in the exhaust... amazing job. I could never expect a standard engine would bring that type of experience with engine reaction and noise. Just an amazing car. I almost lost my day job to go around driving that machine...
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Lol don’t knock the Corolla. It has better LED headlights than my adaptive LED’s on the 330. (And standard on M340i ?) Grrrr.
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Also what real estate are you guys buying for $10k ??? A dollhouse ? Lol
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I’ve had mine since October and it was a delight , for the short time until snow, with the Michelin Pilots. The car is really quick and feels like a proper sports sedan. I would take it over the X4 that, while tweaked and better looking, is still too high for aggressive driving. But that is very subjective.

I have Nokia’s for winter and the car is a piece of cake in the winter, snow and ice.

I would definitely recommend it, super happy with my first BMW after many AMGs.
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Also what real estate are you guys buying for $10k ??? A dollhouse ? Lol
That's an expensive dollhouse. Barbie would be housepoor.
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[QUOTE=wtwo3;25780597]That's an expensive dollhouse. Barbie would be housepoor.[/QUOTI

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or if some on this forum are really this dim. But hey, if you've acquired 3 high end cars in the last 4 years its not really surprising. Believe it or not, 10K can go a long way. The guy from North Carolina should know, real estate is half the price it is in NY. But then again, I'm only a 27 year old investor who practices daily frugality and likes cars that are a bit too expensive, what would I know?

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That's an expensive dollhouse. Barbie would be housepoor.[/QUOTI

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or if some on this forum are really this dim. But hey, if you've acquired 3 high end cars in the last 4 years its not really surprising. Believe it or not, 10K can go a long way. The guy from North Carolina should know, real estate is half the price it is in NY. But then again, I'm only a 27 year old investor who practices daily frugality and likes cars that are a bit too expensive, what would I know?
My comment was not directed at you, it was just jokingly in response to alpinewhite3 's comment. Obviously nobody (probably) is buying $10k dollhouses. We all know you meant the $10k is a contribution towards a larger sum into real estate.

Nobody here is calling anyone dim or comparing professions/investment portfolios.

My only point is there's a reason A) we are on this forum and have chosen to purchase expensive cars and B) have varying degrees of what we consider valuable and/or can/can't afford. I'm very well aware that $10k can go a long way, but telling someone on a BMW forum to spend less on a car they want by compromising on features they may deem valuable simply because their money may be of better use invested just doesn't make sense especially when you aren't aware of their financial situation.

The decision to purchase a BMW (or as you mentioned earlier, a new car at all) in the first place is in principal based on luxury desires, not on financially responsible necessity. It's good that at a young age you understand the virtues of investing when so many others don't, it'll set you up very well for your future.
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Nobody is taking out a second mortgage (i hope) to slip into a 3 series. We're not out here buying helicopters and exotics cars. I'm all for saving some money here and there but where does it end ?

Buy a Honda civic and drive it for 10 years ? Live on porridge and beans? Live in a mobile home? Save and invest every extra penny to spend it when? 50? 60? 70?

Look at Kobe. Anything can happen at anytime to anyone. Let people spend their money as they see fit and enjoy the little time we have.
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Just ignore That KrazyPolak. He's now getting beyond annoying. Nobody in this thread asked for financial advice. This is a car forum, take that BS to OT thread. There are many here who are financial professionals etc. We don't need the lessons on fiscal responsibility, save it for someone who asked for it.
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Just ignore That KrazyPolak. He's now getting beyond annoying. Nobody in this thread asked for financial advice. This is a car forum, take that BS to OT thread. There are many here who are financial professionals etc. We don't need the lessons on fiscal responsibility, save it for someone who asked for it.
I wouldn't really consider what I said BS I'm just being honest. Anyone is free to spend their money how they see fit but don't shut me down just because my logic makes sense. I just look differently on finances, that's all.

I love how you decided to jump in on this convo to give us your thought out two cents. Stop acting like a punk and open your mind a bit, "bro". If you can't contribute something worthwhile and provide an effective argument don't bother replying.
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You do realize that many of us here are much older than you are, some even old enough to be your parents. I am not your bro and I don't need your advice and doubt anybody in this thread does either.

Most here have been investing before you even knew what that word meant. This is not the Bogleheads forum, you're the one guilty of contributing nonsense and being a colossal nuisance. As a result, I'll just add you to my ignore list.
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You do realize that many of us here are much older than you are, some even old enough to be your parents. I am not your bro and I don't need your advice and doubt anybody in this thread does either.

Most here have been investing before you even knew what that word meant. This is not the Bogleheads forum, you're the one guilty of contributing nonsense and being a colossal nuisance. As a result, I'll just add you to my ignore list.
Very mature response for someone older than me, thank you for that insight. I'll gladly accept the fact that I'm on your ignore list.
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I wouldn't really consider what I said BS I'm just being honest. Anyone is free to spend their money how they see fit but don't shut me down just because my logic makes sense. I just look differently on finances, that's all.

I love how you decided to jump in on this convo to give us your thought out two cents. Stop acting like a punk and open your mind a bit, "bro". If you can't contribute something worthwhile and provide an effective argument don't bother replying.
Thing is, if the OP asked for your financial recommendations, then that would be great. But he didn't.

He wants help in choosing the car, not on the rate of return if he got a Corolla instead and invested the money.

You are on the right track at 27, honestly, but your comments are misplaced here.
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