Difference between pitstops 1950 and 2013

AriuSen · 09-04-2015, 03:25 PM

its hilarious.

AriuSen · 09-04-2015, 03:26 PM

hmm not sure how to use link

ciaranob · 09-04-2015, 03:37 PM

Take off junk on either end of address

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Darth Federer · 09-04-2015, 03:43 PM

Damn that was a long 67 seconds.

tony20009 · 09-04-2015, 08:46 PM

My, how times have changed. Gotta love process improvement!

All the best.

AlpineE92M3 · 09-04-2015, 08:52 PM

Did they not fuel up on that pit stop? Or just a tire change?

M3Bimmer77 · 09-04-2015, 09:01 PM

1 sec less per year!!!' Not bad. How's going to be in 2050? Maybe no pits stop at all!!!!

MrPrena · 09-04-2015, 09:10 PM

There will be always pit stops, unless FIA/F1 change the rules.
If F1 wants no pit stops, they can do that right now without a problem.

HOwever, tires has to be harder compound (prime).
Tire companies (besides reliability, less elastic to temp change prop to pressure) will try their best to find more stable softer compound to optimize the mechanical grip.

WhatsADSM · 09-04-2015, 09:48 PM

That 1950 pit stop was crazy. I love dude just whacking away at this wheel nut with a hammer.

Mr Pete · 09-04-2015, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AlpineE92M3

Did they not fuel up on that pit stop? Or just a tire change?

Yea, looks like tires changed and off he went. I imagine if there was fuel added, that would add another...6 sec haha. Man, that 1950 pit stop seemed like an eternity lol

AlpineE92M3 · 09-04-2015, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AWGroceryGetter

Yea, looks like tires changed and off he went. I imagine if there was fuel added, that would add another...6 sec haha. Man, that 1950 pit stop seemed like an eternity lol

Lol yeah I'm sure if they took fuel it would add another 1 second to the time while changing the tires!. Crazy how fast the pit stop is. 5 sec for tire change, 6 sec for tire and fuel. Amazing

NEFARIOUS · 09-06-2015, 11:26 AM

Refueling has been banned in F1 since 2010, and current race cars have put in larger fuel tanks to accommodate this change.

AW335TT · 09-06-2015, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AlpineE92M3

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Originally Posted by AWGroceryGetter

Yea, looks like tires changed and off he went. I imagine if there was fuel added, that would add another...6 sec haha. Man, that 1950 pit stop seemed like an eternity lol

Lol yeah I'm sure if they took fuel it would add another 1 second to the time while changing the tires!. Crazy how fast the pit stop is. 5 sec for tire change, 6 sec for tire and fuel. Amazing

That was a lot faster than 5 seconds. 5 second pit stop by today's F1 standards is slow, teams are constantly doing below 3 seconds.

GuidoK · 09-06-2015, 01:28 PM

Incredible, what 4 people could do in 1950, they now need 20 people to do...

MrPrena · 09-08-2015, 05:26 PM

BMW Sauber Pitstop with fueling

MrPrena · 09-08-2015, 05:40 PM

Hamilton getting into McLaren... lol

Jenson Button

Flipe Massa

carve · 09-08-2015, 07:27 PM

Yeah- 20 guys vs 3 working on the car, plus no fueling. It was about 4 seconds, so 80 man seconds vs 260 in the old one. They did change all 4 tires though, but no gas or windshiled cleaning.

WhatsADSM · 09-08-2015, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by carve

Yeah- 20 guys vs 3 working on the car, plus no fueling. It was about 4 seconds, so 80 man seconds vs 260 in the old one. They did change all 4 tires though, but no gas or windshiled cleaning.

There were a lot more than 3 guys in the 1950s video. Most were just going about their business government style by hanging back and watching the 3 or 4 active ones. Occasionally actually doing something like getting a glass of water or a cloth. The lack of efficiency in the 1950 version is very apparent.

carve · 09-09-2015, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WhatsADSM

There were a lot more than 3 guys in the 1950s video. Most were just going about their business government style by hanging back and watching the 3 or 4 active ones. Occasionally actually doing something like getting a glass of water or a cloth. The lack of efficiency in the 1950 version is very apparent.

It said there were only four people allowed to directly work on the car, including the driver.

WhatsADSM · 09-09-2015, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by carve

It said there were only four people allowed to directly work on the car, including the driver.

Fair enough. 4 versus 20 (even though I count 17 actually doing something near the car in the 2013 video). Its a massive improvement in time any way you slice it. Imagine the case where they had to change all 4 tires in 1950 (which was done in 2013)!

Any way you try to slice it technology and process improvement made a huge difference now versus then.

fecurtis · 09-10-2015, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

Incredible, what 4 people could do in 1950, they now need 20 people to do...

Yes, let's completely ignore that the 20 people do it in a fraction of the time.

GuidoK · 09-10-2015, 08:13 AM

I'm sorry I forgot the smile

They do it in a fraction of the time as they also dont perform the same tasks.
One is manhandeling a sledgehammer and the other one has an impact gun.

So obviously there is a difference, but it's not in the people (except the number of people). It's in what they have and what they're allowed.

I don't know if it's an improvement. It's a race and applies to everybody. Race regulations are just a bunch of rules to make things slower so that lesser teams can keep up or to keep things safe.

Changing tyres at your local repair shop probably takes a lot longer, and there would be an advantage into speeding up (time=money)

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