[4monks]

Originally Posted by davidoff86

With all the increases in home energy costs ( my electric is going to be triple what it was in a few weeks) , how much are people actually "saving " now

Have a crack at working it out with this:
https://www.zap-map.com/tools/journey-cost-calculator/

Octopus is currently 7.5p / kWh overnight charging at home (just gone up from 5p). Assuming 145.5p / litre for petrol:

BMW i4 M50 vs BMW M340i is 3.4p per mile vs 22.7p per mile.

Putting 275 miles in the tank is £9.46 for the EV vs £62 for the petrol - and let's not forget the £40+ / month road tax saving the EV makes that we pay (assuming your car is >£40k).

On the face of it, it's still pretty good, but a lot of people are doing a lot less miles now so you need to be doing the miles.

[user1811]

I don't think Tesla owners care much about saving money through lower running costs.
They are a fashion statement now. Similar to the humungous Range Rovers you see on the 3-mile school run.

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by 4monks

Have a crack at working it out with this:
https://www.zap-map.com/tools/journey-cost-calculator/

Octopus is currently 7.5p / kWh overnight charging at home (just gone up from 5p). Assuming 145.5p / litre for petrol:

BMW i4 M50 vs BMW M340i is 3.4p per mile vs 22.7p per mile.

Putting 275 miles in the tank is £9.46 for the EV vs £62 for the petrol - and let's not forget the £40+ / month road tax saving the EV makes that we pay (assuming your car is >£40k).

On the face of it, it's still pretty good, but a lot of people are doing a lot less miles now so you need to be doing the miles.

26p a kWh for me now, so almost 4x the price

[4monks]

Originally Posted by davidoff86

26p a kWh for me now, so almost 4x the price

but even at that rate, still 1/2 the price of petrol. Most EV owners use a two tier rate (similar to old school economy 7).

[G82Dude]

Originally Posted by JNW1

And if everyone jumped into EV's tomorrow would there be enough leccy to charge them all? With our messed-up energy policy I'm not convinced there would and given the lead time for building generating capacity I'm not sure any shortfalls in supply will be a quick fix either...

Nope, not based on an average supply of around 1.6kW consumption per household. And all the power stations that spin down at night will be running flat out to charge EVs (assuming you can get a cable to your car)!! Let's not forget of course lithium supply is not a bottomless pit. It will run out. Maybe some carbon-tech batteries are round the corner that charge is seconds. Or sodding great big capacitors... It's all smoke and mirrors at the moment with EVs.

[ramparts]

EVs not even the end game, hydrogen is. It's just electric is sellable by the manufacturers atm

[Charlie (Wessex)]

Originally Posted by davidoff86

EVs not even the end game, hydrogen is. It's just electric is sellable by the manufacturers atm

Hydrogen certainly has a part to play. However, as they say here.....the average car user uses their EV for 300-500 hours a year. Heavy plant machinery can be used for 3000 hours a year double shifting etc so hydrogen has to be the answer, also inc costs, weight etc etc

[TuffLittleUnit]

Originally Posted by TuffLittleUnit

Saw a fair few Teslas, i-Paces etc on the same journey (mainly on the M5) doing around 60-65mph on the motorway, presumably to maximise the range. Not a compromise I'm prepared to make.

Leeds to Liverpool tonight and again the BEVs were doing 60 ish and this was after the fog had cleared. At least one was an iPace ... where is the sense in a >£70k car that can do 0-62 in under 5 seconds and drives slower than a 1 litre Fiesta on the motorway?

This isn't hate ... I want one but why are they all driving so slowly? Is it just that it's mostly boomers with generous pensions that can afford them so they drive slowly because they're in their 60s and 70s? (NB I'm not using "boomers" as a derogatory term, I'm GenX in my early 50s)

[adam.b]

some of the new car have only 40liters tank, like 1series if you do not spec turing tank to have 52liters.
in 135i i was doing 400 miles on 52l tank if it was normal 40l it would be only 250miles ish, like most ev's.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by TuffLittleUnit

This isn't hate ... I want one but why are they all driving so slowly? Is it just that it's mostly boomers with generous pensions that can afford them so they drive slowly because they're in their 60s and 70s? (NB I'm not using "boomers" as a derogatory term, I'm GenX in my early 50s)

With EV's my understanding is the range drops quite quickly if you're doing (say) low 80's rather than the legal limit so that may well account for why you seldom see them making progress for any distance on a motorway. Could be wrong but I don't think it's anything to do with the age of the driver!

[willougs]

May be different for me as mine is a PHEV rather than a BEV, but I'm quite often sitting at 60 on the motorway, just because. Nothing to do with range.

Not everyone feels the need to race around everywhere, even some of us GenX's.

I also see a lot of high powered ICE cars doing the same sorts of speeds and never wondered why they weren't doing 70+

Just seems to me some people drive the motorway at 60, regardless of age or propulsion type.

[marksandygill]

This all comes down to what people want and what they need

Does someone 'need' a car that will do 0-60 in 3/4 seconds? No, especially with the poor roads, traffic and amount of speed cameras around these days

But people still buy them, I guess for status and because they can

And I have never seen a Tesla in the 3rd lane of a motorway as driving at those speeds kills the range!

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by JNW1

With EV's my understanding is the range drops quite quickly if you're doing (say) low 80's rather than the legal limit so that may well account for why you seldom see them making progress for any distance on a motorway. Could be wrong but I don't think it's anything to do with the age of the driver!

My take... I sense drivers are more aware in BEVs, due to range being more in the consciousness and speed clearly reduces range. With ICE it is less in your face, plus I suspect more a "so what", if speed has emptied the tank faster, easy to fill and carry on.

[rosstin]

Originally Posted by 225

Dear mr Tesla
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it...


Yours

Mr M340i...

I'm no EV evangelist, but saw this today.

Whatever mr Tesla has in his pipe, it seems to be working

https://apple.news/ACVwEp9tSSyy_2sVopGfPPA

[TuffLittleUnit]

First proper run in the 420d over the last two days. Leeds to Slough and back (~415 miles) plus about 20 miles of local driving and I've still got 43% of a tank of diesel left.

Had a look at the journey data thingy when I got home and was gobsmacked to see 65.5mpg average ... that's on the M25 and M1 at busy periods.

The real shocker was the data in the bottom left. I might be misunderstanding this but does it mean that auto stop/start was really engaged for over 15 mins (coasting*) and that I covered 19 miles with the engine "switched off"?

* I say coasting because I only stopped at junctions at the start of the journey when the engine was cold and didn't switch off.

[TuffLittleUnit]

Originally Posted by rosstin

I'm no EV evangelist, but saw this today.

Whatever mr Tesla has in his pipe, it seems to be working

https://apple.news/ACVwEp9tSSyy_2sVopGfPPA

Can't help thinking today's state of the art will be outdated in just a few years and residuals may not be what buyers expect. There's also work on capacitive batteries which charge almost instantly - might be a more pragmatic answer if an EV could charge a 300 mile battery quicker than I can fill my tank?

Of course, deep down it's really just jealousy that I can't afford one (aka justify the additional expense to the Mrs).

[Charlie (Wessex)]

Originally Posted by TuffLittleUnit

Can't help thinking today's state of the art will be outdated in just a few years and residuals may not be what buyers expect.

Just IMO, you'd be crazy to do anything but PCH on a future car, given that the tech is going to be ever evolving. Might be more expensive, but seems the sensible thing to do.

Will be a bit strange, as never done anything but buy cars outright, so will have to adjust to the times.