[larven]

Originally Posted by brava09

M is the real thing, and guys with lesser BMW always try to justify their purchase

I don’t have to justify my purchase, just tired of my car being compared to an M3 when it clearly isn’t. Like comparing apples and pears.

When l bought l could have had an F80 M3 for similar money but chose the M340i because it better suited what l wanted as an overall package. That’s all there is to it.

[ubchariot]

Here is another comparison between M4 and M340i in 0-60 and 1/4mile run. Again, there is no doubt that the M4 will run faster than M340i after passing the 60mph speed. But 0-60 time is definitely a downside of the current F80 generation using today's standard. G80 should aim it Model 3 performance for the 0-60 stats.

[chris719]

The former 335 and now M340i drag racer fanboys are so toxic. No one cares that their brand new car is faster in a straight line (a dig only, too) than a nearly 7 year old car.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

You going to superglue your tires to the ground to get traction LOL. I will take that 340i in AUTOMATIC and be faster than your manual M3/M4. Will also take new M4 in Automatic - stick is for people who have resist change and GTOs.
LOL

LOL bro, that’s deep. Superglue and all crazy things in your post. LOL and LOLZ.

I don’t believe a word you are saying, but this thread is super entertaining. LOL

[Dirtyg20M]

Originally Posted by trey100

I contemplated an M340 when it was time to return my M3 6MT lease. I punched it from a stop sign and am sure it would out-accelerate my 6MT M3 9 out of 10 times if not 10 out of 10. Can't say from a roll but off the line it was fast. The downside was that it just didn't feel special like the M3 and its looks were just too generic when it was next to the M3. The F80 is a beautiful car. One thing that may have swayed me was the cooling package that comes with real summer tires. All the M340s didn't have that option which was a pity since I really wanted to see if that bit of extra tire would have made the decision easier to trade in the M3. Have been in the M3 another year and still love it but will revisit these M340 when it's time to part ways.

These are two completely different cars with two different buyers and purposes. We are not seeking an explanation for why to choose an M3 over a M340i. We are just shutting down the naysayers that are downplaying the M340i's performance over the outgoing M3/4.

Both cars are beast, but they serve two completely different individuals. I'm currently waiting for the G80 and will definitely trade up once it drops, but I'll need the technology, cushy seats (my wife would kill me I had buckets), and traction so I can play with the Tesla's at a stop light. If I can't checked those boxes - I will pass on the M3/4 again and keep the M performance.

"Have you seen the interior of the new M8's - they don't look tracked out do they? Lol

I can't be pulling up to my clients in a race car - as much as I lovvvvvveee the looks of the current M3/4. They are undeniably gorgeous cars.

These post are all over the place. Let's stick to the topic - the M340i spanked the M4 from a dig and won a drag 1/8 race.

😎

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Dirtyg20M

Two different type of consumers. Last I check the lease deals are practically the same for both M and M performance Spec 3series. it's personal preference. Btw your post is :bs:

I don't understand. You're so insecure about your car you need to brag about drag races in traffic? You seem so desperate to prove something to M car owners and how inferior our cars are. Why can't you just be happy with your car without trying to bring down others? Is your happiness dependent on feeling superior to others? Why didn't you just get a Hellcat if drag races are so important to you?

[Dirtyg20M]

Now imagine if both cars were aggressively tuned with bolt on's. Do you think the M3/4 would magically start putting the power down? No! Traction would be worse.

The M340i would hook up and leave a bus length in between the M, and then the M would start to pull back because of the two Turbos, but by then it would be too late unless you are trying to hit 160+mph.
🏎💨🚗

[trey100]

Originally Posted by Dirtyg20M

These are two completely different cars with two different buyers and purposes. We are not seeking an explanation for why to choose an M3 over a M340i. We are just shutting down the naysayers that are downplaying the M340i's performance over the outgoing M3/4.

Both cars are beast, but they serve two completely different individuals. I'm currently waiting for the G80 and will definitely trade up once it drops, but I'll need the technology, cushy seats (my wife would kill me I had buckets), and traction so I can play with the Tesla's at a stop light. If I can't checked those boxes - I will pass on the M3/4 again and keep the M performance.

"Have you seen the interior of the new M8's - they don't look tracked out do they? Lol

I can't be pulling up to my clients in a race car - as much as I lovvvvvveee the looks of the current M3/4. They are undeniably gorgeous cars.

These post are all over the place. Let's stick to the topic - the M340i spanked the M4 from a dig and won a drag 1/8 race.

😎

I didn't realize people were "seeking" anything here. There's hundreds of posts and mine was relevant as it compared my experience related to the acceleration of both cars. Sorry I couldn't end my post in a manner that made you feel better about the M340.

[Dirtyg20M]

Originally Posted by jmg

I don't understand. You're so insecure about your car you need to brag about drag races in traffic? You seem so desperate to prove something to M car owners and how inferior our cars are. Why can't you just be happy with your car without trying to bring down others? Is your happiness dependent on feeling superior to others? Why didn't you just get a Hellcat if drag races are so important to you?

Firstly, we are all M car owners, so nothing against other enthusiasts. I feel M3/4 owners are getting butt-hurt and are claiming this video is staged when it's clearly not.

This video is factual. I've raced M3/4 and even a CS my neighbor has one (overpriced in my opinion), but the results were the same - poor traction and they start to get in their power-band and hookup once it's too late. Definitely if it were an airstrip race the M3/4 would blow the M340i away, but in the real world no one wants to race past 150mph. Lol 😂

Listen, I'm not trying to shit on anyone - I respect my M3/4 bro's, but for those who don't know you gotta respect that M340i it's quick and with a simple tune - for the money it's a better car "my opinion".

It's sole purpose is to bridge the gap for a consumer who is not looking for bucket seats, outdated interiors with limited tech. Have you seen the Audi's as of late?

That's talking about the current outdated F-series, but once the G80 drops this thread and post will be irrelevant as I'm sure it will not have issues accelerating from a dig - look at the M8. 💪🏾

My apologies if I hurt anyone's feelings, but ppl talking about M340i guys like we settled for an inferior car because we can't afford an M3/4 is Ridiculous and untrue as they are practically leasing for the same and the M3/4 will only go down in price as the G80 debuts - plus sprinkle in a little covid-19 discounts. 🤣🤣🤣

Just saying!

[chris719]

Originally Posted by DenHaag3er

I'd expect a bit more performance from the real thing. Shouldn't be getting spanked by family car.

Performance isn't just straight line speed from a dig. You should know better than this. You're also comparing it to a 7 year old car. M cars are about handling and chassis, not about straight line anyway. Have fun with the body roll and numbness.

[Dirtyg20M]

Can we all agree that the new G80 is going to be a menace! 😈

Appreciate this post if you agree. 👊🏾

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Dirtyg20M

Firstly, we are all M car owners, so nothing against other enthusiasts.

M340i are not M cars. Unless your VIN is WBS it's not an M car. I'm sorry, it's a great car, but it's not built by M GmbH.

[Dirtyg20M]

Originally Posted by chris719

M340i are not M cars. Unless your VIN is WBS it's not an M car. I'm sorry, it's a great car, but it's not built by M GmbH.

If that WERE the case you M owners should really be embarrassed and return your cars immediately. Lol jk

Look below don't kill the messager:

BMW moving away from "M Performance" vehicle branding https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1686369

After this post I'm done. Lol 🤐

[Burrcold]

This is the stupidest topic I've read since the "is the C43 a real AMG" thread on the Benz forums a few years back. Who cares...enjoy the car you have.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by ubchariot

Here is another comparison between M4 and M340i in 0-60 and 1/4mile run. Again, there is no doubt that the M4 will run faster than M340i after passing the 60mph speed. But 0-60 time is definitely a downside of the current F80 generation using today's standard. G80 should aim it Model 3 performance for the 0-60 stats.

Originally Posted by ubchariot

Here is another comparison between M4 and M340i in 0-60 and 1/4mile run. Again, there is no doubt that the M4 will run faster than M340i after passing the 60mph speed. But 0-60 time is definitely a downside of the current F80 generation using today's standard. G80 should aim it Model 3 performance for the 0-60 stats.

0 to 60 smh this was relevant in the 1800's

I was passed by a Prius doing 80 mph

[Gdiddy23]

I've said it once and I'll say it again-

Not sure why people thinking the M340i being quick enough to cause debate is a bad thing. This just means the G80 is going to be wicked fast and is built off an already great vehicle. Just sayin

[will0621]

Originally Posted by Dirtyg20M

I killed this M2. Lol Let me guess he wasn't racing.

After spanking him from a dig this guy wouldn't give up and insisted that we do a roll race. This was his 5th attempt and it was the same results.

Perhaps he would've passed me at 200mph.

You showed yourself beating a 365 hp N55 M2 with a G series B58..that really is not a surprising result.
I have no horse in this race- I have a F80 and X3M40i, so I like that BMW offers full M and M performance lines. However there is zero chance a stock m340i is taking my M3 CS from a dig or roll.
To me the OP video isn’t surprising at all when it comes to a G20 382hp AWD vs vanilla F80 425hp RWD.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Dirtyg20M

Firstly, we are all M car owners, so nothing against other enthusiasts. I feel M3/4 owners are getting butt-hurt and are claiming this video is staged when it's clearly not.

This video is factual. I've raced M3/4 and even a CS my neighbor has one (overpriced in my opinion), but the results were the same - poor traction and they start to get in their power-band and hookup once it's too late. Definitely if it were an airstrip race the M3/4 would blow the M340i away, but in the real world no one wants to race past 150mph. Lol ��

Listen, I'm not trying to shit on anyone - I respect my M3/4 bro's, but for those who don't know you gotta respect that M340i it's quick and with a simple tune - for the money it's a better car "my opinion".

It's sole purpose is to bridge the gap for a consumer who is not looking for bucket seats, outdated interiors with limited tech. Have you seen the Audi's as of late?

That's talking about the current outdated F-series, but once the G80 drops this thread and post will be irrelevant as I'm sure it will not have issues accelerating from a dig - look at the M8. ����

My apologies if I hurt anyone's feelings, but ppl talking about M340i guys like we settled for an inferior car because we can't afford an M3/4 is Ridiculous and untrue as they are practically leasing for the same and the M3/4 will only go down in price as the G80 debuts - plus sprinkle in a little covid-19 discounts. ������

Just saying!

Such is the case when new models come out.

What I am questioning is why you got an M340i if drag racing is your only metric. RT Scat Pack us a second faster in the 1/4 mile and $10k cheaper.

The mistake is assuming that the M3/4 was designed to compete in a drag, and should be compared with the M340i in that regard. You said yourself, in the real world no one wants to race past 150mph... but what you really mean is the public roads. In the real world, you can't even hit 150mph without risking jail time, impound, or worse: killing someone. So really, a M340i that never sees a track and only needs to apply to the public roads is fine: a fast 0-60 to zip in and out of traffic. The M3/4, if you have ever owned one, is fine on the street, but not ideal: it wants to go fast and it feels unfairly restrained on the street, out of it's element.

It's such a strange phenomena comparing traffic light racing to any form of real racing. It probably takes 10 seconds to hit 100mph in a M340i. In most cases the drag race will be over by then-so ~10 seconds of "racing" which you can't even do legally. That's supposed to count more than a circuit, where it's completely legal to hit triple digit speeds for as long as you dare? One day on a road circuit amounts to more time at a high performance threshold than all the street "racing" anyone can do in a year. 4*20 minute circuit course sessions=80 minutes=4800seconds=480 drag races. 480 drag races where you don't even turn the whee, you accelerate once, and hit the brakes once... compared to a circuit course with multiple turns, multiple brake zones, accelerations out of ever corner... just overall more demands on the car and driver. But a dozen drag races is somehow the more important metric?

Yes, actually.... for those who just want a fast street car, hence the M340i. Street races don't worry about turn in, traction on corner exit, weight transitions, and brake fade. For those who actually want more though, they want a "real" M car. "Real" is in quotes because a real M car is a thing of the past in terms of marketing. BMW will take advantage of the average consumer's incapacity to distinguish between the M Performance and an M. BMW thinks that the uninformed consumer will now accept the M Performance car as M cars because marketing has told them so. Case in point: the entire discussion in this thread about 0-60 times and drag racing and the notion that the M340i is a "real" M car. Those that know the history of M cars know better than to compare drag times, it was never the goal of BMW Motorsports. Comparing drag times only shows that the consumer doesn't know the real difference between M Performance and M. I'm totally fine with that btw, it doesn't matter if you want to call the M340i an M car. What does matter is if you assume that a good drag time is the only metric that should matter.

Case in point:

Attend any BMW M School – instruction in high performance driving at the BMW Performance Centers. Lessons include: autocross, circuit, drift. Guess which one is missing? Drag.

[Dirtyg20M]

Originally Posted by jmg

Such is the case when new models come out.

What I am questioning is why you got an M340i if drag racing is your only metric. RT Scat Pack us a second faster in the 1/4 mile and $10k cheaper.

The mistake is assuming that the M3/4 was designed to compete in a drag, and should be compared with the M340i in that regard. You said yourself, in the real world no one wants to race past 150mph... but what you really mean is the public roads. In the real world, you can't even hit 150mph without risking jail time, impound, or worse: killing someone. So really, a M340i that never sees a track and only needs to apply to the public roads is fine: a fast 0-60 to zip in and out of traffic. The M3/4, if you have ever owned one, is fine on the street, but not ideal: it wants to go fast and it feels unfairly restrained on the street, out of it's element.

It's such a strange phenomena comparing traffic light racing to any form of real racing. It probably takes 10 seconds to hit 100mph in a M340i. In most cases the drag race will be over by then-so ~10 seconds of "racing" which you can't even do legally. That's supposed to count more than a circuit, where it's completely legal to hit triple digit speeds for as long as you dare? One day on a road circuit amounts to more time at a high performance threshold than all the street "racing" anyone can do in a year. 4*20 minute circuit course sessions=80 minutes=4800seconds=480 drag races. 480 drag races where you don't even turn the wheel and hit the brakes once... compared to a circuit course with multiple turns, multiple brake zones... just overall more demands on the car and driver. But a dozen drag races is somehow the metric?

Yes, actually.... for those who just want a fast street car, hence the M340i. For those who want more though, a "real" M car. "Real" is in quotes because a real M car is a thing of the past in terms of marketing. BMW will take advantage of the average consumer's incapacity to distinguish between the M Performance and an M. BMW thinks that the uninformed consumer will now accept the M Performance car as M cars because marketing has told them so. Case in point: the entire discussion in this thread about 0-60 times and drag racing and the notion that the M340i is a "real" M car. Those that know the history of M cars know better than to compare drag times, it was never the goal of BMW Motorsports. Comparing drag times only shows that the consumer doesn't know the real difference between M Performance and M.

Case in point:

Attend any BMW M School – instruction in high performance driving at the BMW Performance Centers. Lessons include: autocross, circuit, drift. Guess which one is missing? Drag.

Thank you for the history lesson and M course. Honestly, I'm confused on where this conversation has gone.

I agree these cars are two separate animals and serve to completely different purposes. That being said, marketing or not I'm happy with my M340i, but it will be short lived once the G80 drops. 😎

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Dirtyg20M

Thank you for the history lesson and M course. Honestly, I'm confused on where this conversation has gone.

I agree these cars are two separate animals and serve to completely different purposes. That being said, marketing or not I'm happy with my M340i, but it will be short lived once the G80 drops. 😎

That wasn't a history lesson. M School does not currently nor previously include drag. FYI, M School was designed by BMW and the M division. If anyone, they should know what areas of performance that the M cars are designed to excel at. That's why there is no drag component.

That was a lesson only if you didn't know about it previously. If you were already aware of these things, not only would I not have to bother telling you about it, but you wouldn't have made the mistake of placing such an emphasis on drag racing.

I'm glad you are happy with the M340i. It's a great car. I'm not sure why you have to defend it so hard and call everyone butthurt when we all know, as you just said, serve completely different purposes.

[Dirtyg20M]

Originally Posted by jmg

That wasn't a history lesson. M School does not currently nor previously include drag. FYI, M School was designed by BMW and the M division. If anyone, they should know what areas of performance that the M cars are designed to excel at. That's why there is no drag component.

That was a lesson only if you didn't know about it previously. If you were already aware of these things, not only would I not have to bother telling you about it, but you wouldn't have made the mistake of placing such an emphasis on drag racing.

Again what's your point?

Since the M division does not include drag racing in their lessons - we should totally disregard drag racing, and all the millions of drag races that M's have lost don't matter because you said so?

Is that right? Okay got it.

Thanks for the lesson! 👊🏾

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Dirtyg20M

Again what's your point?

Since the M division does not include drag racing in their lessons - we should totally disregard drag racing, and all the millions of drag races that M's have lost don't matter because you said so?

Is that right? Okay got it.

Thanks for the lesson! 👊🏾

The point was that the M cars weren't designed to win drag races. It's not at the school because the M cars aren't drag cars. Drag racing M cars is like doing tractor pulls. Yes, a big truck is going to pull more weight than a M3. Why should we care? M3 wasn't designed to tow. M3 wasn't designed to drag either. Why should we care if the M340i competes with it? First of all, it's in a different class being AWD and it's probably got different gearing ratios.

Another point: you drag for maybe 10 seconds. The other 23hrs, 59 minutes, and 50 seconds in the day your still just in a second banana 3 series.

I'm trying to be nice and tell you have a nice car, but you keep coming back with these ego driven replies because some weird inferiority complex with and older generation M car on its way out. It's baffling.