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      10-22-2019, 12:59 PM   #133
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I'm hoping is not a Tesla fighter. We need a $50-$60k Electric luxury option, not a $80-$100k.
Tesla Model 3 fighter... which starts at $38k
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      10-22-2019, 01:01 PM   #134
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If this gets a normal looking grill over the standard 4 series, will definitely be taking this
You might want to look elsewhere then...
You're thinking plastic beaver grill like the inext concept?
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If this gets a normal looking grill over the standard 4 series, will definitely be taking this
You might want to look elsewhere then...
You're thinking plastic beaver grill like the inext concept?
100%

Back at the launch of the 4 series concept, one of the designers did an instagram live video on BMW's instagram. In the video he stated that the design language of the 4 concept will be shared with that of the Gran Coupe and i4 and said they were both going to resemble the iVisionDynamics concept.

Beaver grill is here to stay...
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373 miles is not too shabby
If they get past 300 they will have a hit.
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373 miles is not too shabby
If they get past 300 they will have a hit.
I'm hoping they can hit 300 on the EPA. 370 no longer is gonna happen after they lowered the goal range for the iNext to 360.
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I'm hoping is not a Tesla fighter. We need a $50-$60k Electric luxury option, not a $80-$100k.
Tesla Model 3 fighter... which starts at $38k
That is never going to happen.

Tesla has the $ advantage by making their own batteries.

Tesla also has by far the most established charging network.
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      10-22-2019, 01:56 PM   #139
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Better late than never for i4. I think this car will change BMW electric fortunes for the better.
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Finally! An EV-range-competitive offering from BMW. This is great!

Now here's hoping they actually 1) build it, 2) The range is as promised, and 3) Its actually made available while the range is STILL competitive!

Nice!
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Love it.

That range is impressive 375 miles
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      10-22-2019, 02:48 PM   #142
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Love it.

That range is impressive 375 miles
It likely won't be 375 miles (EPA), BMW just reduced the iNext's projected range from 400+ to 360, and it still could possibly go even further down.
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I'll believe the range when I see it. If so, I'll be first in line.
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Just a thought about the range of the vehicle.
A lot of people sceptical but wouldn't you think that it's exactly the same relationship with any vehicle?

I mean, a petrol driven car can reach a certain range depending very much on the driving style of the driver, right?

So, drive it sensibly and you will have a decent range..
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I'd preorder if it truly comes in at 330+ mile range.
ya, 300 miles at 65 mph.
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Just a thought about the range of the vehicle.
A lot of people sceptical but wouldn't you think that it's exactly the same relationship with any vehicle?
Yes and no, we have gas stations every 5 miles. Even so, my wife still can't fill up her car until the low fuel warning goes on, weekly range would matter, for her over 300 miles is what she covers in the week. And, who wants to buy a car that costs 30-40% more than a Tesla, has maybe equal or less range, and is slower 0-60. You need some sort of value equation for people to buy into the i4. Or you end up with an Audi e-tron.

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Just a thought about the range of the vehicle.
A lot of people sceptical but wouldn't you think that it's exactly the same relationship with any vehicle?

I mean, a petrol driven car can reach a certain range depending very much on the driving style of the driver, right?

So, drive it sensibly and you will have a decent range..
The difference is that I can fill up in about 5 mins and blast off. One doesn't worry about range with a gas vehicle.

I know I'm in the minority but I take road trips in my BMW.
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      10-22-2019, 05:19 PM   #148
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Yes and no, we have gas stations every 5 miles. Even so, my wife still can't fill up her car until the low fuel warning goes on, weekly range would matter, for her over 300 miles is what she covers in the week.
That´s typical petrol head thinking. If you can charge at home, you plug it in and have the 300mls every morning. And if BMW puts their inductive charging in it, your wife simple parks above the charging plate (but my wife has no issue plugging in her eGolf (120mls). It's a question of daily needed miles when you can charge at home.

And in Europe the Tesla chargers are perfect, but the public infrastructure is growing (incl. 350kw chargers).

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And, who wants to buy a car that costs 30-40% more than a Tesla, has maybe equal or less range, and is slower 0-60.
Also here the question is, if you buy the car for drag racing or using it daily. Why do people buy Porsche, if a Corvette gives more performance for the money? 0-60 by Tesla is impressive. So what? When driving an electric car it becomes quite irrelevant if the speed is just fast enough. I drive a 530e and an eGolf and I'm looking forward to an i4, iX3, Q4 eTron, etc. because of the quality. Tesla? Good drive train, definitely. Quality? No thanks.
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Indecisive Hybrids

Very excited for this model, and really hoping the specs are as they state here... I greatly prefer either full electric or full petrol to the indecisive hybrids.
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Seems it would make more sense to call it a 430e or some 4somethinge than an i4. It looks nothing like the i4 "futuristic" concepts.
For the record, BMW has never called any concept car an "i4 concept" or otherwise used the i4 brand name in the name of any concept vehicle.

But, yes, CEO Harald Krüger stated that the i4 will look similar to the Vision Dynamics Concept shown back in 2017. Since this is just a test mule with early body work, wheels, and other parts, nothing prohibits it from resembling the concept once it reaches production form. Of course, it will not look identical to the concept, just as many concept cars never reach production in their auto-show form.

Furthermore, BMW has also said that future i-brand electric vehicles will use the CLAR-WE and FAAR-WE platforms, sharing their construction with ICE and hybrid vehicles. The latter will retain their familiar branding while electric vehicles will use the "i" prefix.

Gasoline 4 Sereis: 430i and 440i
Diesel 4 Series: 430d and 440d (contrary to hype, diesel engines are not yet dead)
PHEV 4 Series: 430e and 440e "iPerformance"
Electric 4 Series: i4 30e and i4 40e* (with the suffix denoting tiers across both range and power)

* "40e" and "30e" nomenclature is preliminary and could change for the final products
Nicely put

However, I suspect 340d/440d and 340e/440e models are maybe more of a wish than a reality currently. With the exception of the top end cars e.g. X5 45e I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest that a higher output hybrid will be coming out i.e. 3 or 440e iperformance model; I don't even think the rumoured 540e ever made it to market, if it did it wasn't in the U.K. Secondly, whilst there was a lot of hype about BMW bringing a pair of M performance 3 series cars, nothing has been mentioned about the M340d in quite some time now... which is a shame.

I hope I'm wrong, I'd love nothing more than a hybrid with a 6 cylinder ICE and tourer body (with a matching 4er coupe option), but I'm not holding my breath.
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No exhaust noise. How can you possibly fun with a i4 vs a M440i
By smugly out-accelerating one in silence.

Or maybe BMW will pipe in some ICE noise.
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All the talks are about the range. Yes, range is important (in face very important). I have an i3 which gives me max 120miles on Eco Pro which sucks. But what about autonomous features of this i4? So far I haven't seen any solid info on how this i4 is going to compete with Model 3 in ADAS domain...
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Just a thought about the range of the vehicle.
A lot of people sceptical but wouldn't you think that it's exactly the same relationship with any vehicle?
Yes and no, we have gas stations every 5 miles. Even so, my wife still can't fill up her car until the low fuel warning goes on, weekly range would matter, for her over 300 miles is what she covers in the week. And, who wants to buy a car that costs 30-40% more than a Tesla, has maybe equal or less range, and is slower 0-60. You need some sort of value equation for people to buy into the i4. Or you end up with an Audi e-tron.
Thought you would just charge overnight anyway?
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All the talks are about the range. Yes, range is important (in face very important). I have an i3 which gives me max 120miles on Eco Pro which sucks. But what about autonomous features of this i4? So far I haven't seen any solid info on how this i4 is going to compete with Model 3 in ADAS domain...
Well, that is i next area really, i4 is more a classic BMW, that should be driven. But is the i4 a 3GT thingy or a Grand coupe?!
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