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Same concept applies here. The delta between the M340i and G70 is apparent. Look at the performance gap, parts used, refinement, etc. after all, how else would a luxury brand establish a reputation as a premium auto manufacturer unless it's products are higher quality overall.
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The 2020 m340i's residual for a 36month 10k mile lease is 61% MSRP might be cheaper but at least for leasing isn't the only important number. For a quick hypothetical comparison, a $60k msrp m340i with a 10% discount (very common) no incentives at a 61% residual and I made up the interest rate as 0.001 MF plus 7 msds would lease for $569/month before tax, $0 down except msds which you get back at the end of the lease. A $51k G70 with an 8.5% discount (about average I think?), no incentives at a 52% residual, same interest rate but no msds (genesis doesnt offer it I dont think), would lease for $650/month before tax, $0 down. These are just hypotheticals but you can see how a car's value after 3 years can influence the lease price substantially. I have a nearly fully loaded m340i (missing the tire and cooling package), and I pay $580/month with $0 down (not counting msds which I get back). This also demonstrates how msrp doesn't mean anything when it comes to leasing, and even buying the car if dealers are willing to come down a lot off msrp vs. another brand that doesn't have as much wiggle room. It allows Genesis to attract value buyers with a lower msrp I guess but if you do your homework you could have a BMW for less! |
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10-24-2019, 03:35 AM | #70 |
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So far it seems the M340I or G20 3 series in general wears the new interior version best. It fits the 3 series perfectly, looks underwhelming on 8 series and out of place in the new 1 series.
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10-24-2019, 04:45 AM | #71 |
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Impressive, wish my 540 got same engine...
On the other note is C&D saying comfort is too floaty yet sport is too stiff? Hasn't test drive a 340 but coming from 540 I can definitely see the comfort being floaty comment. As to electronic steering, Porsche is the only one (on the cheaper side...) that seem to manage the feedback enthusiast want, though I can see how BMW tune it that way (I wish they hadn't)... |
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I am pretty sure car and driver said the f 340i was too soft and floaty. This is the m-sport version of the 3. If you don’t want sport, there is an option for that.
Like others said above, the bmw is actually cheaper if you lease or buy and plan to sell after you own. Did they weigh the actual cars or use manufacturers spec? 3,800 lbs for a fully loaded $66k 3 series isn’t that bad. Lighter than the e90 isn’t it? |
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The Genesis is more of a disposable car than the 3er. And I would not want to own my bimmer long term. Hyundai is still not known for long term reliability, that title is and will always belong to Toyota. Genesis has to be priced 10k cheaper because they wouldn't be able to move any units and thus their only option is to sell on price. Even then, they're not flying off the shelves.
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I still think its a non comparison - the tech and infotainment in the Genesis is still kia/hyundai's trash system and I don't if anyone has sat in one but you literally feel like you're in a kia/hyundai with all the recycled buttons, switches, steering wheel, .... way cheaper materials, etc.
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I've switched between the "overpriced" luxury brands and the "bargain" non-luxury brands and there are a multitude of small details that, together, add up to a different overall ownership experience.
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The same was said of Benz and Lexus (Toyota) when they arrived in the States 30 years ago.
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I have both F80 M3 & G20 M340i ( see my ED pics ). I've never regretted getting M340i , its suspension is light year ahead of F80 ( I've adaptive suspension which comes with LSD ) . M340i's adaptive suspension isn't stiffer instead it provides just the right balance of firmness & softness for daily commute. I live in metro area where roads are craps comparing to autobahn. It is great for daily drive . The only thing I miss from daily driving F80 is DCT. I'm being honest here. I will give you all and update when I pick up my G80 3 years from now in Munich. I'm sure G80 will be great. |
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It's obvious that BMW in 2019/2020 is not the same BMW from 2005 but it's still a car that you need to sit and experience vs. Mercedes where buyers can buy based on looks. |
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