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2014: Lowest trim MSRP $16,945 2019: Lowest trim MSRP $21,895 (redesign) That's a 29.2% increase in price! If you want a cheaper 3-er in the US, it's not the 3-series anymore, there's always the 2-series. |
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02-10-2019, 10:07 PM | #134 |
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Agreed, I turned in my 2015 328xi in October and am jumping to another brand for the first time since 1994. Maybe I'll be back but for the next 3 years I'm going to give the G70 a shot. It seems to have a good mix of the things that made the 3 series great in the past and I'm getting a loaded twin turbo 6 awd for $48k. If I get a turbo 6 and similar options on the 3 I'm looking at $62-65k. I really want a 6 cylinder again but just have a hard time with paying that much. I also like the way the G70 looks, not a fan of the new 3 in std or msport.
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And we don't want 2 series. I want 3er or I go elsewhere and this is what most pple will do. I expect BMW to loose sales or be offering big discounts. Let's check back in 6-8 months?
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56k for a 330 4 cylinder!! Holy shit that is absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe people still buy/lease new BMW's, I will never again (after 19 years now). Damn shame
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Hate much and read little? Yes, I enjoy driving and owning my 2-series (not 3-series..again, reading is fundamental) more than my outgoing Porsche 997.1 C2S. It's a bargain of a car, but still a gem in my eyes, and again, worth treating as such.
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02-11-2019, 11:51 AM | #142 |
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The base price of this xDrive 330i is $42,250. That's almost exact the same price the A4 Quattro and the C300 4Matic are. Most importantly, I believe that's almost exactly the same price the outgoing F30 330 xi was.
This car is pretty much fully loaded. Fully loaded cars have always been a bad deal and this one is no exception. It's no more expensive than an F30 similarly equipped. Also, while I'm partial to straight sixes, the B48 is a fine motor. It's exceptionally smooth for a 4 banger and it has plenty of power. It definitely is faster than the last N/A straight six BMW put in the 3 series. I feel like even if BMW put in a 500hp I-4 engine into the 330i, people would still be complaining that it's not a straight six and say it's overpriced. It's fine to prefer the smoothness and sound of the N55 or B58, but it's not fair to say a car is overpriced simply because it has four cylinder instead of six without any regard to how much actual power is making. No matter how it's done, power is power. It's really not that much cheaper to use a 4 cylinder vs a 6 cylinder. Everything in the drive line has to support the power and torque of the motor like the driveshaft, diff, halfshafts, wheels, tires, brakes, etc. You also are making more power per cylinder/liter. You're just paying slightly less for a smaller block and fewer engine components. With the benefit of slightly less weight, better balance, and cheaper maintenance. |
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How can someone lose perspective so easily? You don't think the 3 series is premium compared to the biggest sellers like the Honda Accord or Civic? It's one thing to pay for utility or size for a big truck or SUV, but it's entirely another when you are paying $20-$30k more for a 3 series simply for driver feel and creature comforts. |
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For example, the 3-series leather seats feel like a football. It's the high volume seller that everyone buys the most. Only us enthusiasts care about or even notice the minor design tweaks and changes in steering. To most people it's just a cheap BMW to lease. Last edited by praxis218; 02-11-2019 at 01:59 PM. |
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I think a huge part of pricing is how BMW is now doing packages. Do you want HK audio? You need premium ($2800) + Nav ($1600) + HK ($875). That's over $5k for stuff you may not necessarily want.
Do you want the cool laser lights? You have to add executive ($2100), which needs to add 2 other packages or something like that. To me the car is only more expensive because we can no longer do a la carte options like we used to. Whether that is worth it seems like a personal preference, but it at least makes me stop and think what else is out there. I could wait a year and do CPO for a bigger discount. FWIW, a G30 5 series can be had in the $30s now
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But if you are in the camp of "charge me if you can" as long as you can give me some ideas to justify the raise, then sure - you win your argument.
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And BMW positions itself as a premium/lux brand and all of their cars are such. Of course anything below 5 series is entry level premium car but it is not civic for sure.
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I think we've also covered enough times now that the 34k you keep bringing up was 13 years ago, and would be equivalent to 42-43k today. That's already the base price of the new car, which may just have a lot of things standard that you had to option 13 years ago on a 3er and even more features probably (not just tech, but engineering wise). So, of course BMW is making money (like every other brand), and of course prices have gone up (like every other product), but not on this exceptional scale you keep pointing to in this case. |
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