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I remember the first time I saw a 4 series coupe, my reaction was it would be my next car if I didn’t have kids. The first time I saw a 4 series GC, it was as if BMW was listening and I knew that would be my next car. After 11 wonderful years behind the wheel of a 3 series, fun to try something different, with added utility and great looks. |
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All those 3's and all those Honda Odyssey's, the years went by and the kids were a bit older and dad could finally get his sexy coupe back. The 4GC was an absolute dream. I had two of them before grabbing the last 4 hardtop convertible as a changeup. I'm hoping they don't ruin a good thing. They ruined the 'vert. They'd better not ruin the GC. |
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02-13-2021, 10:22 PM | #293 | |
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And there is nothing wrong with prizing appearance. There comes a point where BMW has put enough into the performance for the above-average dad commuter where it's a non-issue and what then becomes important is the way the car looks. The 4GC is one of BMW's best looking cars in the current generation and needs to continue. If we want more passenger room, we'd get a 5. If we want more utility we'd get a GT. We don't. We want something low and wide and coupe-like. That's the mojo of the 4GC. |
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02-14-2021, 01:23 AM | #294 |
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If a) BMW hadn't dropped the GT, and b) offered it as the next EV, I'd be glad to take one.
As neither of those conditions apply, the GC has the task of satisfying a wider range of buyers in the showroom than it did previously, including when it arrives as the new i4.
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The GC succeeds because it looks so damned good. It wasn't purchased because of its utility. If we wanted utility, we'd have just bought a GT or an X3. If we wanted maximum rear passenger comfort, we'd have stuck with our boring 3 Series. The mojo of the GC is that it allows traditional 3 Series owners to trade utility and rear passenger comfort for something more important- sexy design. It's like an M-Sport package atop an M-Sport package. |
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02-15-2021, 01:19 AM | #296 | |
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The assertion of "sexy design" being more important than interior room may be your personal preference, but it is by no means an objective truth. Some see these minor variations we are discussing in the shape of the sheetmetal as the most superficial and least decision-affecting attribute of a car, given the are all generally within "acceptable". Unless you have BMW's internal market research, you do not know how many purchased due to style versus the hatch functionality, as compared to, for example, the limiting trunk design of a 3 Series sedan.
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As BMW stated, the 4 Series isn’t supposed to be about utility or practicality. It’s supposed to be about boldness and sportiness. That’s what I expect from the G26. |
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We can agree to disagree that BMW accepted the incremental cost, weight, investment, and development time for a hatchback, not easily discerned unless opened, for improved practicality and functional reasons vs a restrictive conventional trunk as compared to a 3 Series. Otherwise, they could have saved a bundle and just made it a trunk like the 2 and the 8. C&D just stated the following: "As before, the Gran Coupe will be the four-door model in the 4-series lineup. It's hard to tell from these photos, but it appears to continue with a hatchback opening in the rear that should offer more practicality compared with the 3-series sedan's trunk." https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...eries%20lineup. If your theory was correct, please explain why a hatch and not a trunk like the other two Gran Coupes in the showroom? That decision did not come "cheap" to them.
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If the GC looses the hatch, not sure what the point is vs the 3er. Especially since you have to deal with the great front end...
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"Symbolizes the essence of a modern and highly emotional coupe at the very core of BMW. A progressive and confident interpretation of our heritage. An everyday dream car. From now on, the number 4 will stand for an even more self-confident and expressive series of products. All models will show a complete differentiation to the current 3 series as we believe in the different individual characters of our customers. A daring and confident identity. A fast outline. BMW proportions in their most modern form. A true brand-shaper." -- Domagoj Dukec, Head of BMW Design Quote:
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You agree that the hatch differentiates the vehicle, but it is all but invisible except when momentarily opened when parked. That same roofline could have been achieved with a lower cost, lighter weight conventional trunk. Therefore, the differentiation is the function, the point we've been discussing for several posts. The BMW Marketing language for a 2 door coupe hardly applies to a 4 door, even a swoopy one, with doors that are not at all small and that full size adults can use. In the current generation, the problem is not the door size, but the legroom once inside. This is the most useful document as to BMW's raison d'etre for the car. They cannot get through a paragraph without highlighting the functionality. Of course they want it to be distinctive and attractive, but it exists as a unique vehicle to serve a functional purpose, as they repeatedly point out. https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...pe?language=en
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Frankly, I don't understand why BMW even makes the 2-door coupe anymore, in fact I can see a future where they only make the 4-door coupe. 2 Series it makes sense, not so much the 4 Series. The 4 is the size of the old 5, it keeps growing, its proportions for the 2-door already look goofy with that enormous rear quarter panel. It doesn't feel like a coupe. It feels like a sedan that's strangely lost two doors. Quote:
You contend that the 4GC exists for its liftback utility and I contend that the 4GC exists for its sexy-as-fk styling. I think both can be true. My son's goalie equipment thanked me every day I used the liftback, but the stares I got from jealous dad's with this sleek new variant made me really happy. After years of being in the same old 3 Series like everyone else, the GC was a breath of fresh air. When my lease is up on my F33 I expect to be back in a G26. I don't think BMW is going to screw it up. It's going to replace the G22 when they drop the 2-door like they dropped the manual transmission. |
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First car I drove after getting my license was my dad's brand new 1980 740i, what a car. My mom had an E36 after my dad passed, brought back great memories and for the last 17 years I've been in E46, E90, E92, F30, F36, and F33's, an X5 and an X7 for the wife, leasing is quite fun with a new BMW every 3 years. Let us hope that the G26 is all the utility you desire and all the sexy metal I desire. Cheers! |
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The i4 will be revealed tomorrow so that should pretty much reveal a lot of the 4GC's design/size outside of the electric aspects of the vehicle.
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