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      11-15-2018, 12:00 PM   #23
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That range would be perfect for me because mine work is only 3 mil away
One dilemma, ones you are in M car you never won't to get out and drive something else. Lol
Until BMW M makes an Electric ///M-Car.
Yeah, it will be a while and, I am not sure if I could live with no popping and cracking noice coming from the exhaust. Lol
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I think this is the optimum range. I traded an i3 for the current 330e because of the coal-cart-like ride of the i3. I have an at-home charger and the current 14 mi electric range is good for 90% of my driving. 37 Mi will be adequate for 100% of my local driving. On a 2000 mi trip to the BMW one-day school, I got 45MPG with no en-route charging at an average speed of 80.1 MPH according to the trip computer. (The white 330e is an excellent stealth car). The disadvantage of a PHEV is that one is carrying around an ICE and a battery. But, it is an optimum answer if you need a long-trip car, but have reasonably short local travel. More electric range is more weight so it's necessary to find an optimum balance. I think the 14 mi of my current 330e is too little, but 37 miles is pretty much perfect. I have the use of an all-electric car for almost all of my use and still have a VERY economical car for trips. As to performance, I've owned a Nissan GT-R, Porsche 991.1 and BMW V-8 5 series. To be frank, unless I was doing a DE (167.2 mph in the GT-R at the 2010 Texas Mile), I never used the capability of those cars in normal use around the streets of Harris County. But, in the usual stoplight grand prix, I am always first off the line and many car lengths ahead by the time the speed limit is reached in my 330e. It is a VERY useful traffic darter. My wife drives an X5 40e PHEV and it does about 50% of her local driving with it's 14 mi electric range. I may get her the new all-electric X3 as a replacement and the new 330e for me. Since this will be my trip car, I may go for the larger LCI 530e if it has the new 37 mi range (which I think is highly likely). Both of these cars fit with my two leases that toll in 2020. I want her in a high ground clearance vehicle because her usual route has her through several intersections that flood 12" in the heavy Houston rainstorms with poor drainage.
My commute is much longer than 37 miles and the old 330e was not a good fit for me, which is why I got another i3 REx to replace my old one. With this new 330e I think BMW is close, but I wish they went a little further. The range still isn't good enough. With other cars pushing over 200 miles electric only, and the 2018 i3 well into the 100s, I just wish they would adapt the i3 to be a traditional sedan with the "i" characteristics: forward thinking design and lightweight materials. I'm one of those people who like that electric cars can push the design envelope a bit more, although I think Toyota has gone too far with their hideous designs, BMW did an excellent job with the i8, and subjectively the i3, who's cart like driving characteristics I actually enjoy. Personally, I already have an M3 weekend car. I couldn't see myself in a 330e unless it gave me a different driving experience just for the sake of variety. I think an X3 electric or the weird hatchback i3 is more up my alley.
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      11-15-2018, 12:18 PM   #25
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Blah, BMW could do better. Wouldn’t sell the wife’s 340 for it. Need at least 80-100 mile range.
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      11-15-2018, 12:40 PM   #26
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i think this is a decent amount of range and makes a ton of sense. Real world its probably about 25-30 miles electric with like AC on etc. I sadly don't have a charger at my apartment building but i'd at least consider this and move or something. My commute right now is about 8 miles.

A lot of you other commenters make it sound like it doesn't also have a gas tank? If you for whatever reason don't want a car that also has a gas tank I'm sure they will sell you an i4 or whatever in a few years based on basically the same platform. If this is priced aggressively like the 530e I think it will sell super well in a place like LA or NY or SF where 30 miles is probably plenty especially if you charge it at work too.

I drove the 530e at the UDE also, and thought it felt like a huge car just because it actually is large, a 330e for a huge number of urban current 330i owners probably makes sense.
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If only they’d do a 340e and take the straight 6 engine out of the x5 45e I’d be a happy chap.
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I missed the mention of whether it is FWD, RWD, AWD?
The 3 Series has been a RWD car since its inception in the 70s. And AWD options have been a regular part of the lineup for well over a decade.

This new model will do nothing to change that formula - both RWD and AWD variants will be available
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So essentially they took 75% of the new X5e's battery pack and paired it with a 320i. The range is enough for most people's needs, however it'll likely stay niche in the U.S. This will likely sell well in Europe, however. 138 mpg & those low emissions are impressive.

Progress is progress, whether an inch or a mile.
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Did I read correctly that electric alone range is 37 miles? This is releasing in 2019 and the range is only 37 miles???
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Yes 37 miles. BMW has to make something that consumers are willing to pay for. Every 3 extra miles is another $200 or so. If you read the forums here and on leasehackr, people are buying X5 40e and 330e for less than standard variants. Or another way to say it is that BMW is having to "give away" the electric components. Why would they voluntarily put a bigger battery in so they can lose more money? When people start paying for range, they will certainly offer it.
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Until BMW M makes an Electric ///M-Car.
Or a Tesla!
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Did I read correctly that electric alone range is 37 miles? This is releasing in 2019 and the range is only 37 miles???
Trust me, I’m with you. I’ve been on the fence between a Tesla Model 3 or waiting until this or the fully electric 3 comes out. I wish this one was a bit more powerful and had a bit more range. But I guess this is meant to compete with Priuses and not Teslas.

And I had the i3 when it first came out. That car was awesome but the range was laughable.
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Until BMW M makes an Electric ///M-Car.
Or a Tesla!
Tesla doesn't have a clue about how to make an M Car.

You cannot do everything with electronics.
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      11-16-2018, 10:31 AM   #36
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I had a 2016 330e which had problems and I replaced it in December 2017 with a 530e.

Personally, I prefer a smaller car (so long as I can fit my golf clubs in it). The specs look pretty similar to the 530e with the exception of the extra boost feature and the larger battery pack (9.2 in mine).

I wonder if the 530e can be programmed for the extra boost (apparently the same electric engine)?
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I had a Volt (48 mi) as my daily driver... A Tesla Model-X (250 mi) is currently my daily driver... I also have an i8 Roadster (20mi) as my summer toy...

200+ miles is where its at. I also have a very short commute so the Volt met my NEEDS. But the 200+ miles of the Tesla means I pretty much don't even have to THINK about range. ...and if I forget to plug her in at night its not a big deal.

Its not so much that 35 mi might meet many people's needs, it about the fact of the matter that the rest of the industry is doing so much better. When all I had was 48 that was great, but now that much longer ranges are easily available in so many vehicles, it would be very hard to go back.

BMW is still very far behind the rest of the industry. Although I'm really waiting for them to deliver something really compelling, this, unfortunately, is not it...

The i3 continues to extend its range (117 mi) and actually is more compelling than this vehicle (IMHO)...
The 3 series is not a purpose-built EV that has a skateboard style battery. It's an ICE car first retro-fitted to fit a short range battery.

You say that you don't even have to "think" about range when you drive your Model X but admit that you have a short commute. So you realize that a 330e would mean you almost never use gasoline on a daily basis right? Also, you technically have more range and far more refueling options when you drive a 330e. You talk about pure electric range as if it's this huge technological advancement. All it is are more batteries. That's it. A bunch of super heavy batteries that weigh your car down. I'm not saying Teslas aren't cool. The bigger battery packs allow for the massive power delivery that allows for the insane performance figures. But from a practicality standpoint, from an engineer's perspective, the PHEVs like the 330e are the best compromise. You don't get any of the drawbacks of either a pure EV or a pure ICE car, which are significant.
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Did I read correctly that electric alone range is 37 miles? This is releasing in 2019 and the range is only 37 miles???
This car only shows what I always say: We're in a transition time.
One says "Uuuh those heavy batteries", I say "Geee, those heavy gasoline motor", you say "What, only 37 miles?"

In a pure electrical car however you have not only no motor (and its ancillaries) but no transmission and no tank. A lot of saved space and weight.
And since the battery tech becomes better every year (refer i3), it's only a question of time before we'll see very different cars than this. Cars that will rock our minds...
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This car only shows what I always say: We're in a transition time.
One says "Uuuh those heavy batteries", I say "Geee, those heavy gasoline motor", you say "What, only 37 miles?"

In a pure electrical car however you have not only no motor (and its ancillaries) but no transmission and no tank. A lot of saved space and weight.
And since the battery tech becomes better every year (refer i3), it's only a question of time before we'll see very different cars than this. Cars that will rock our minds...
The reason Teslas have such terrible build quality and spartan interiors is because the batteries are so expensive. You're paying a bunch of money for batteries. Of which you're only really using 10-20% of the capacity at a time before you recharge it. Unless you want it for the performance, having a PHEV is actually a really good compromise right now for the average commuter.
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Range is an improvement but I was really looking for BMW to put forward a better Tesla competitor by 2020. Just put out a 3 series with 200 mile range and take my money!
2021 they will have just the car you're after. A year later, but I'm sure the wait will be worth it. A quality luxury electric vehicle without the cheap feel of a Tesla.
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The EV mileage is OK, like most of us agree here, but it is the step in the right direction. This car is perfect for those who have challenges charging at home or in an apartment/condo lacking the charging infrastructure. I would upgrade to this actually
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The reason Teslas have such terrible build quality...because the batteries are so expensive.
I understand that conclusion, but I think the evidence shows the terrible build quality is primarily related to their novice status as a car company. The body in white is poorly designed (compared to "Kias of the 90s" by one teardown expert), assembly has been overwhelmed with technical failures in robotics, Elon set up an extended assembly facility under a tent in their parking lot. This has cost them more than "doing it right the first time", not less. Tesla should have outsourced assembly to a competent subcontractor, but that is not his style. I withdrew my deposit over a year ago as I learned more, and the vehicles I have seen on their owner's forum and in person have been very sub-par. They do make the best BEV drivetrain right now, but the car they wrapped around it is still "in development".
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I just did a test drive of the Jag i Pace. An all-electric with 200+ mile range for a mid-$70's price (after the "First Editions" are gone). I think my current 330e is a better proposition and the new 330e even better. The Jag i Pace is a no compromises EV (skateboard) with no ICE vestiges, like the Tesla. Why do I think the 330e is a better proposition? An all-electric car is not currently viable as an "only" car if one does more than purely local travel. Current battery range is good for a half-day's travel and the charging infrastructure means a search for a mid-day stop and needing at least an hour for charging if a 100Kw system is available. So, if you are only using it for local travel and you have at-home charging, you are lugging around a very heavy and expensive battery whose capacity you don't need. This large battery is only useful if you don't have at-home charging and need to use a public charger; which you can defer to once a week. With daily charging, a 30 mi electric range will satisfy 100% of my local needs and I have an ICE (which weighs less than the extra battery I don't need) for trips.
My impressions of the i Pace: In person, it looks like the X2. The interior is fantastic--Bentley quality. The ride in "comfort" over potholed streets with the optional 22" wheels is about the same as the i3--coal cart-like. The performance is near "Tesla-ludicrous" and the steering precision near-perfect. Love the "one pedal driving"--very i3-like and vastly superior to the low regeneration of my 330e. Is it worth the $20K difference over the 330e? Not if you are a rational person. Would I buy it? Yes, except it's a Jag and I think it'll spend a lot of time in the shop. Luckily, I have 18 months before my 330e lease tolls to gauge the Jag's reliability and to see what kind of car my wife wants to replace her X5 40e with. Will it have a long trip capability so that my choice is "free"? Given "free" choice, would I rather have a reliable i Pace or a BMW M340i?
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The MPG figures are a nonsense, what they should also tell you is the MPG you can expect on a 200 mile run, CAR once tested the G30 530e from Edinburgh to Bristol (some 400 ish miles) and averaged 34mpg, well my F80 M3 could do that.
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