[Cruise'n]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

If dozens of Audi owners descended upon this forum telling you how ugly the 3 Series is week after week for 3+ years, I'd bet you'd feel offended too. Yet here we are, in a safe space for 3 and 4 Series enthusiasts, and we 4 Series owners are supposed to tolerate being dumped-on by our own kind?

No, sir. We are not. We share this forum.

A forum doesn't mean you can't view your option that doesn't match yours.
Many people liked my comment.
Many people don't like the grill.
Have I driven the new M3 on the track yes, and was a PERFECT track car, did I like the look of it NO. Did nearly all the people that day yes the Majority easy. All BMW fans and no Audi ones as you had to buy a new car to be there.
I used to have a manual 3 series just last year.
Why didn't I buy the new one, it's not a manual.
So I bought a V8 instead.
Never was my aim to insult you or others, but if people don't like a grill we sure are entitled to say it.

[TheJungatron]

I like the new grill slats and the rear laser tails are super cool. Good for the M440i guys
I hope you can take bits from the LCI

[BMW012]

at the end of the day, we are all BMW.

stop the hate. share the love. be happy for each other that we appreciate the product- regardless of which one you own and why.

and if you got any problems, tell BMW not the people who drive them.

[BMW012]

Originally Posted by Rawhide

Well stated. This whole //M thing reminds me of my bad weather and romper-stomper vehicle. There are Jeep old timers who absolutely despise my Jeep because it has 4 doors and "isn't a real Jeep". To the same degree our friend here raves about the sacredness of //M.

This isn't a Jeep community. Does anyone care? Would anyone say the below isn't a real Jeep? Of course not, you probably don't care and the whole argument seems a bit silly. Same applies to how the rest of the world sees the //M badge. Perspective is a good thing.

thank you for this superb analogy. hope we all learn from it for all aspects of our lives/hobbies.

[B58-M340iX]

Mostly a repost of mine.

People foaming at the mouth about ///M. BMW M says "M-lites" are ///M cars. I understand the prestige of the ///M badge and what it represents. It is what it is.

>Go to https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/bmw-m/models.html
>Ctrl+F "M340"
>Rage quit BMW and go to Porsche because it's not like they're an expensive VW

[Dan B]

Originally Posted by jmack123

I, like most M owners haven’t been to a track day. And I hate to break it to you but “your” “tradition” is nothing more than a pipedream.

The M division makes consumer products for track enthusiasts and soccer moms and dads alike. As much as you want to pretend, you aren’t a professional racecar driver. Get over it. It’s a mainstream consumer product company, not a religious or military institution beholden to “tradition”.

Here is where there are 2 viewpoints. For the majority of BMW owners, at most it is a really cool car and they like the thought of it being sporty. They love the "Ultimate Driving Machine!" commercials.

But there is a decent size group where BMW is a "religious or military institution beholden to “tradition”."

I did work/race professionally, including 2 generations of M3s, and there is a rabid BMW fanbase that thinks the last great real and (cue the harps and flutes) TRUE BMW was the E30 M3. Everything after that has been a sellout to masses. You will find another group that feels that way about the E36 M3 and so on.

At the end of the day, with the current performance arms race, every manufacture needs to target a variety of demographics.

For example, I bought a M440i xDrive. Why spend more for the M440i rather than just a 430? I say 430 because if it is M car or bust then there is no reason for the 440... after all that is just for more performance.

I wanted better performance and the additional options I could only get with the M440i without going full M car.

I didn't go full M4 for a few reasons.

1. Daily driver during winters in Chicago
2. At some point one of my kids or wife will have to drive it.
3. I wanted a GT and not more of a high strung track focused car.
4. At some point I will buy something like an M4 and will pass the M440i to someone in my family.

[BMW012]

2025 4 series configurator is up!

https://www.bmwusa.com/build-your-ow.../4/convertible

ventilated seats are available.

[dudley@07726]

Originally Posted by BMW012

2025 4 series configurator is up!

https://www.bmwusa.com/build-your-ow.../4/convertible

ventilated seats are available.

They were available in the 3 series (2023) as well as long as you had a black interior. Since, I'm in SWFL, I wanted a light interior and had to forgo the ventilated seats.

[LostInSpace]

Grill looks improved; definitely don't want one.

Also don't want to tie up 95 grand or whatever in an M4. I'd rather have a lightly used and depreciated M850.

[bad billy]

I wonder if that grill will fit the pre-LCI?