[ihateredlight]

congrats on the car man! im still trying to fall in love with the body

[sspdw]

Here in sweden base price for a 330i in 2007 was 432k adjusted for inflation. As of today the 330i is 405k. I got 14,7% off my order that would be impossible in 2007 according to ny dealer, it was a maximum of 8-9% on e9x.

[Stormshadowm3]

Originally Posted by sspdw

Here in sweden base price for a 330i in 2007 was 432k adjusted for inflation. As of today the 330i is 405k. I got 14,7% off my order that would be impossible in 2007 according to ny dealer, it was a maximum of 8-9% on e9x.

Has the wheel bolt pattern changed from 5x120?

[Big boi m5]

Originally Posted by mbanck

Look, the US american workers in Spartanburg managed to build X5's and other BMW X models at such a satisfactory quality so that europeans don't have a big problem with buying them even though they are from the states. I'm sure the mexican plant will manage just as well in time.

Supposedly after 15 years the Mexican Fenders are just as good as the US barring cheaper materials and paint protocol.

However, the G20 is a NEW factory with NEW workers in fucking MEXICO.

Think about Tesla's problems in thé US hiring every yuppie engineer thé US has to offer.

The california 9th liberal court just ruled Mexico is too dangerous for migrants to live in.

You really want to pay BMWs price hike on a 3 series for that build quality?

That's gonna be a big yikes from me dawg.

I'm of course attempting to call this as politically neutral as I can. All I'm considering is your $70k grand and the product your going to get for it.

[Big boi m5]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

Hmmm is called inflation. The buying power of the US greenback is less and less as each year goes by. Prices on products go up and salaries remain stagnant. So a $61K "4 banger" is not really that off the charts.

You should see the retail prices of BMWs 20-30 years adjusted for inflation in today's money.

Yeah inflation has something like halved the value of a dollar in 40 years but wages have only gone up 10%.

But I'm actually just referring to BMWs price increase relative to cost to make. Big win for BMW share holders. May hurt the brand in the long run. We finally got free of the e60 era break my wallet. Serious money gone' reputation.

[BigSky702]

Originally Posted by SleepingBMW

Supposedly after 15 years the Mexican Fenders are just as good as the US barring cheaper materials and paint protocol.

However, the G20 is a NEW factory with NEW workers in fucking MEXICO.

Think about Tesla's problems in thé US hiring every yuppie engineer thé US has to offer.

The california 9th liberal court just ruled Mexico is too dangerous for migrants to live in.

You really want to pay BMWs price hike on a 3 series for that build quality?

That's gonna be a big yikes from me dawg.

I'm of course attempting to call this as politically neutral as I can. All I'm considering is your $70k grand and the product your going to get for it.

hmmm... interesting take.
Makes you wonder why ///Ms, AMGs... are still produced abroad... heh, same with the GTR

[Big boi m5]

Originally Posted by BigSky702

hmmm... interesting take.
Makes you wonder why ///Ms, AMGs... are still produced abroad... heh, same with the GTR

Lmao, hey bro check out my $130k mexican engineering at its finest BMW!

Just doesn't work does it?

Something about the German history of mechanized war has made the German brand very good. Mexico? Something about mariachi music, drug crimes, has the opposite effect.

[hans007]

Originally Posted by BigSky702

hmmm... interesting take.
Makes you wonder why ///Ms, AMGs... are still produced abroad... heh, same with the GTR

you mean like all those AMG cars... rolling out of alabama.... or all the bmw x3/x4/x5/x6 M suvs in south carolina. Or that acura NSX made in ohio. I don't think I'd have a problem owning a C63 or an NSX based on where they make them.

If you watch the videos of the 3 series factory in germany its like 85% robots anyway. I'm fairly confident that trained people can do the last bit of it to the same degree in every country. If locating the factory nearer lets BMW keep some profit margin so they dont have to raise prices , i'm pretty much for it if the quality is the same. The 2019 330i does start at the same price as the 2018 with far more content. That is where that lack of inflation is coming from. Given its a $40k+ car, even 3% inflation on it would have been a not unnoticeable $1200-1500 . Would you pay $1200 extra just to have your car assembled by a german?

mostly robots anyway. I'm guessing they program the robots the same.

I've been in the audi dealership more than a few times the last couple of years, and I'd guess audi factory's are probably just as modern as bmws. New Q5s are mexican made in a brand new factory and a friend bought one when I got my current car. They seem to be built to the same level of tolerances, its just a matter of corporate quality control. Hell tesla can barely put a car together in one of the most expensive regions to built a car on earth, and i'm sure if they had a german tesla plant those cars would have terrible panel gaps too.

[BimmerFix]

Originally Posted by SleepingBMW

Lmao, hey bro check out my $130k mexican engineering at its finest BMW!

Just doesn't work does it?

Something about the German history of mechanized war has made the German brand very good. Mexico? Something about mariachi music, drug crimes, has the opposite effect.

Dang my man, that's like borderline racist. It's not like the plant is in the middle of Juarez- Sinloa drug cartel, and they plucked the factory workers from high school . Automated robots do most the work anyways, and I would think BMW would have even more stricter quality control checks.

[BigSky702]

Originally Posted by hans007

you mean like all those AMG cars... rolling out of alabama.... or all the bmw x3/x4/x5/x6 M suvs in south carolina. Or that acura NSX made in ohio. I don't think I'd have a problem owning a C63 or an NSX based on where they make them.

If you watch the videos of the 3 series factory in germany its like 85% robots anyway. I'm fairly confident that trained people can do the last bit of it to the same degree in every country. If locating the factory nearer lets BMW keep some profit margin so they dont have to raise prices , i'm pretty much for it if the quality is the same. The 2019 330i does start at the same price as the 2018 with far more content. That is where that lack of inflation is coming from. Given its a $40k+ car, even 3% inflation on it would have been a not unnoticeable $1200-1500 . Would you pay $1200 extra just to have your car assembled by a german?

mostly robots anyway. I'm guessing they program the robots the same.

I've been in the audi dealership more than a few times the last couple of years, and I'd guess audi factory's are probably just as modern as bmws. New Q5s are mexican made in a brand new factory and a friend bought one when I got my current car. They seem to be built to the same level of tolerances, its just a matter of corporate quality control. Hell tesla can barely put a car together in one of the most expensive regions to built a car on earth, and i'm sure if they had a german tesla plant those cars would have terrible panel gaps too.

Ok, calm down... I never mentioned Acura (and that was not by accident, I have a separate issue with Acura!!), NOR did I mention ANY of the SAVs... Only the specialty vehicles...

Consider my mind blown if they do manufacture AMG 100% in Alabama.. you really have to search for the info, and let's be clear, is the ENGINE still built in Germany and shipped over???

I've seen the video of the BMW plant numerous times while waiting for delivery, I also seen images of some GM plants... NOT THE SAME IN LOOK!

I am NOT stating the manufacturing process is inferior, merely stating there's still a PERCEIVED level of quality by stating "exclusive" models are built in the homeland...

And yes, I would pay extra to have it assembled in the country of origin... I would pay the premium for vehicle I truly desire, but that's just me... a pretentious snob, I guess(??).. Hell, if it's the new mid-engine Corvette, YES I WANT IT MADE IN BOWLING GREEN.... At least I know and can admit it.

[BigSky702]

Originally Posted by BimmerFix

Dang my man, that's like borderline racist. It's not like the plant is in the middle of Juarez- Sinloa drug cartel, and they plucked the factory workers from high school . Automated robots do most the work anyways, and I would think BMW would have even more stricter quality control checks.

**CAVEAT: I understand who you're addressing, BUT DO NOT associate that post with mine... please..

[hans007]

Originally Posted by BigSky702

Ok, calm down... I never mentioned Acura (and that was not by accident), NOR did I mention ANY of the SAVs... Only the specialty vehicles...

Consider my mind blown if they do manufacture AMG 100% in Alabama.. you really have to search for the info, and let's be clear, is the ENGINE still built in Germany and shipped over???

I am NOT stating the manufacturing process is inferior, merely stating there's still a PERCEIVED level of quality by stating "exclusive" models are built in the homeland...

I'm pretty sure they dont make the N series engines or the transmissions in mexico either. Its just a final assembly plant. I won't be shocked when they move M3 production here too given how similar the cars are at this point and they are already shipping engines in the S58 for the X3 / X4.

[BigSky702]

Originally Posted by hans007

I'm pretty sure they dont make the N series engines or the transmissions in mexico either. Its just a final assembly plant. I won't be shocked when they move M3 production here too given how similar the cars are at this point and they are already shipping engines in the S58 for the X3 / X4.

Right, but for now it's not built in North America, so to me it's not 100% built here.... perhaps one day!

[BimmerFix]

Originally Posted by BigSky702

**CAVEAT: I understand who you're addressing, BUT DO NOT associate that post with mine... please..

I know mate, no worries I quite enjoy reading most your posts. I can differentiate the normal forum members from the trolls & M fanboys. Sad part is there’s more and more of the latter recently. But what can you do

[CrownRoyal79]

All of the M340's are currently being manufactured in Germany. When will they start making them in Mexico?

[Mii]

Originally Posted by CrownRoyal79

All of the M340's are currently being manufactured in Germany. When will they start making them in Mexico?

Quoting ynguldyn from another thread.

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

For now, the RWD M340i will be built in both Germany and Mexico, while the AWD M340i will be built in Germany only. But this will change within the next couple of years, and all US spec G20s will become dual sourced.
And of course if a tariff war with Europe becomes reality, SLP could become the exclusive source of these models for our market.

European Delivery is another option for German build G20.

[BigSky702]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn View Post
For now, the RWD M340i will be built in both Germany and Mexico, while the AWD M340i will be built in Germany only. But this will change within the next couple of years, and all US spec G20s will become dual sourced.
And of course if a tariff war with Europe becomes reality, SLP could become the exclusive source of these models for our market..

SLP?? What is that?

[Mii]

Originally Posted by BigSky702

SLP?? What is that?

San Luis Potosí Plant in Mexico.

[BigSky702]

Originally Posted by Mii

San Luis Potosí Plant in Mexico.

Hmmmm... unless Mr. Trump closes the border!

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by BigSky702

Hmmmm... unless Mr. Trump closes the border!

Then all G20s will be subject to the future tariffs on EU goods.

[DocB]

Originally Posted by Costello1991

ill definitely skip this generation.

Well if you're gonna skip well gosh darn it I'm gonna skip also...... NOT!
Got one on order Dravit Grey with all the good stuff.

[Mii]

Generally I preferred classic dial dashboard found on non-digital dashboard models being an old school. While learning the new tech, Live Cockpit makes spirited driving a bit more fun. With complete digital dashboard, one may wonder if BMW will support software update to enable digital classic dial similar to one found on X3M/X4M!

In additional to mileage info, there are real time hp and lb-ft per gear shift, lateral acceleration 0.6g 0.4g figure while car is in motion. (The images are taken while engine is off)