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      08-07-2019, 07:22 PM   #2377
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I respectfully disagree..

I will take the 3000 lb hottie (if it's RWD) over the 3500 lb fat chick any day...

you can have power to weight.. all I know... is when you are dancing and the fat chick steps on your foot.. it HURTS.
A 3000lb M car would be amazing. Unfortunately it's basically impossible considering the M2 isn't even much lighter than the M3.
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      08-07-2019, 08:53 PM   #2378
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I respectfully disagree..

I will take the 3000 lb hottie (if it's RWD) over the 3500 lb fat chick any day...

you can have power to weight.. all I know... is when you are dancing and the fat chick steps on your foot.. it HURTS.
A 3000lb M car would be amazing. Unfortunately it's basically impossible considering the M2 isn't even much lighter than the M3.
BMW is having too much fun making 4600 lbs ///M SUVs to be bothered.
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When you say special M2 for US only, does that include Canada as well? I ask because the cars are specced the same, sans instrument cluster.
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      08-07-2019, 09:13 PM   #2380
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When you say special M2 for US only, does that include Canada as well? I ask because the cars are specced the same, sans instrument cluster.
That's right. But then there's always the country's local BMW office that makes the final call.
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      08-07-2019, 09:40 PM   #2381
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One more F87 M2 model is possible. Just looking at timing, it should be something very special, with a very short production run. And it will be US only.
Here's to my oddball hoping that this is a 375 hp, 3000lb 4 banger version...true CSL. This would be interesting.
3000lbs and 375hp on 4 cylinder you can't get much more out of that engine.

Mercedes is the only one with 416hp 4cylinder

I rather get 3500lbs G80 M3 and tune it to have way over 600+hp

Weight to power ratio is much better.
Power doesn't help the handling tho and it's easier to enjoy lightweight around town and track than just trying to throw more power at a heavier car. Adding lightness is underappreciated!
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One more F87 M2 model is possible. Just looking at timing, it should be something very special, with a very short production run. And it will be US only.
Here's to my oddball hoping that this is a 375 hp, 3000lb 4 banger version...true CSL. This would be interesting.
3000lbs and 375hp on 4 cylinder you can't get much more out of that engine.

Mercedes is the only one with 416hp 4cylinder

I rather get 3500lbs G80 M3 and tune it to have way over 600+hp

Weight to power ratio is much better.
Power doesn't help the handling tho and it's easier to enjoy lightweight around town and track than just trying to throw more power at a heavier car. Adding lightness is underappreciated!
I know that!!!!!
Good luck with 3000lbs M2 lol
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One more F87 M2 model is possible. Just looking at timing, it should be something very special, with a very short production run. And it will be US only.
Here's to my oddball hoping that this is a 375 hp, 3000lb 4 banger version...true CSL. This would be interesting.
3000lbs and 375hp on 4 cylinder you can't get much more out of that engine.

Mercedes is the only one with 416hp 4cylinder

I rather get 3500lbs G80 M3 and tune it to have way over 600+hp

Weight to power ratio is much better.
Power doesn't help the handling tho and it's easier to enjoy lightweight around town and track than just trying to throw more power at a heavier car. Adding lightness is underappreciated!
I know that!!!!!
Good luck with 3000lbs M2 lol
I agree that won't happen — very hypothetical
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When you say special M2 for US only, does that include Canada as well? I ask because the cars are specced the same, sans instrument cluster.
That's right. But then there's always the country's local BMW office that makes the final call.
So it would come to Canada?
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Power doesn't help the handling tho and it's easier to enjoy lightweight around town and track than just trying to throw more power at a heavier car. Adding lightness is underappreciated!
Adding power only improves acceleration. Reducing weight improves acceleration, braking, turns, everything

Buttt it costs a lot less to throw a bunch of options at a car than trying to market a "driver's car" in 2019. The only car that can ride that wave forever is the Miata, because iconic.
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When you say special M2 for US only, does that include Canada as well? I ask because the cars are specced the same, sans instrument cluster.
That's right. But then there's always the country's local BMW office that makes the final call.
So it would come to Canada?
Asked and answered.

YES! If BMW Canada wants it.
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      08-08-2019, 12:53 PM   #2387
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CS is the one we've known about for a long time, and it's coming soon. The timeframe mentioned a few posts higher seems plausible. The name of the new special version I don't know yet.
M2SE. Sport Evolution. With detuned P48. Would be in line with 2002 hommage concept looks.

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Power doesn't help the handling tho and it's easier to enjoy lightweight around town and track than just trying to throw more power at a heavier car. Adding lightness is underappreciated!
Adding power only improves acceleration. Reducing weight improves acceleration, braking, turns, everything

Buttt it costs a lot less to throw a bunch of options at a car than trying to market a "driver's car" in 2019. The only car that can ride that wave forever is the Miata, because iconic.
You have no idea how bad I want to supercharge a Miata. Supercharge + retrofit independent throttle bodies in lol
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M2SE. Sport Evolution. With detuned P48. Would be in line with 2002 hommage concept looks.
I would think this special edition would have to go into production in 2020 since F87 M2 ends production in 6/21.
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Power doesn't help the handling tho and it's easier to enjoy lightweight around town and track than just trying to throw more power at a heavier car. Adding lightness is underappreciated!
Adding power only improves acceleration. Reducing weight improves acceleration, braking, turns, everything

Buttt it costs a lot less to throw a bunch of options at a car than trying to market a "driver's car" in 2019. The only car that can ride that wave forever is the Miata, because iconic.
You have no idea how bad I want to supercharge a Miata. Supercharge + retrofit independent throttle bodies in lol
I've kinda been thinking about supercharging an FRS/BRZ... that would be really good too.
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I cannot imagine that the i4 can compete with the Model 3 regarding dimensions and interior space.
We will see...
It's still an ICE platform and I don't think BMW will/can leave out the transmission tunnel for example.
So I think they need a subframe as an ICE and transmission replacement to support the crash structure.

Under Premium I understand something else!

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So that's the end of manual transmission non-m's huh? I guess the Z4 without one was a clear sign of departure
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I've kinda been thinking about supercharging an FRS/BRZ... that would be really good too.
miata, sure.
s2000, sure.

Anything with a subaru boxer, not worth the money or hassle.
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M2SE. Sport Evolution. With detuned P48. Would be in line with 2002 hommage concept looks.
About the only way to get this thing under 3400 lbs and I would have no problem with that !


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I would think this special edition would have to go into production in 2020 since F87 M2 ends production in 6/21.
There are options. If you add in holiday and changeover times you could probably sort it out.

F87 M2 CS 3/20 thru 9/20
F87 M2 Further progress 10/20- 3/20 or .... 3/21-6/21
F87 EOP 6/21
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So that's the end of manual transmission non-m's huh? I guess the Z4 without one was a clear sign of departure
The design and production of the Z4 itself was a clear sign of departure... One that's probably proving far better for Toyota...
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So that's the end of manual transmission non-m's huh? I guess the Z4 without one was a clear sign of departure
The Z4 20i will get 6MT soon, but that one is not available in the US.
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About the only way to get this thing under 3400 lbs progressI would have no problem with that !




There are options. If you add in holiday and changeover times you could probably sort it out.

F87 M2 CS 3/20 thru 9/20
F87 M2 Further progress 10/20- 3/20 or .... 3/21-6/21
F87 EOP 6/21
Hopefully M2 further progress is announced around the time as M2 CS. I would hate to order a CS and the M2 further progress is announced one month later.

Also I believe M2 CS production dates are 3/20 - 12/20, so possibly M2 further progress production dates would be 1/21 - 6/21.
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Convertible

I've searched and can't find it so if I missed it please redirect me, I'm a rookie.
Do we know when the new platform G series 4 Convertible will be available? I see the EOP date in the first post for the F33.

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