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      02-21-2020, 05:49 PM   #1
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19'' HRE FF01 wheels on m340i

I want to buy the HRE FF01 wheels in Anthracite but uncertain where to start with regard to front and rear offsets and tires to pair them with and any other considerations. Anyone have these wheels and/or can offer some advice to help a beginner with the aftermarket wheel buying process?

Just doing some research for now and will likely begin to reach out to wheel shops for more assistance later in the process - Thanks

**Edit: Reached out to HRE and here's what they said for anyone that's wondering:
We unfortunately do not offer a FlowForm fitment for the G20 BMW at this time, but we’ll have fitments for this vehicle in the future. For now, I suggest going with a forged wheel style for your vehicle.

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I want to buy the HRE FF01 wheels in Anthracite but uncertain where to start with regard to front and rear offsets and tires to pair them with and any other considerations. Anyone have these wheels and/or can offer some advice to help a beginner with the aftermarket wheel buying process?

Just doing some research for now and will likely begin to reach out to wheel shops for more assistance later in the process - Thanks

**Edit: Reached out to HRE and here's what they said for anyone that's wondering:
We unfortunately do not offer a FlowForm fitment for the G20 BMW at this time, but we'll have fitments for this vehicle in the future. For now, I suggest going with a forged wheel style for your vehicle.
Not super surprised. I reached out to Fitment Industries and they don't even have the vehicle specs and compatible wheels loaded in their system. Even tho this platform has been around for 1+ years, development on it has been painfully slow
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I have to manually search by bolt pattern/size on most sites still
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I have to manually search by bolt pattern/size on most sites still
What is the bolt pattern and size you are searching for and is there anything else to consider other than that? or should it be a perfect fit so long as the bolt pattern and size are on point?
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I have to manually search by bolt pattern/size on most sites still
What is the bolt pattern and size you are searching for and is there anything else to consider other than that? or should it be a perfect fit so long as the bolt pattern and size are on point?
5x112 and you'll have to also verify offsets
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That's odd, if you go on www.wheelfront.com there a couple of g20 cars with HRE wheels flow form.
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That's odd, if you go on www.wheelfront.com there a couple of g20 cars with HRE wheels flow form.
Thank you.. SO how can I tell if the FF01 will fit the m340i after all? I know I need 5 x 112 bolt pattern, but what about offsets?
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Thank you.. SO how can I tell if the FF01 will fit the m340i after all? I know I need 5 x 112 bolt pattern, but what about offsets?
Offset is always the challenge and often times it comes down to personal preference meaning you'll need to decide if you want the wheels to be tucked in, sit flush or poke. Again all three of the aforementioned are purely subjective and/or driven by your need.

"Most" people seem to like things sitting flush or a few mm's tucked in from flush. Once you decide what your end goal is you can start to move on to wheel width and offset.

I know this isn't a complete answer to your question but it's a start....you need to move beyond "will they fit" and start to share what you want.

Hope this helps a bit

ps- I love the HRE FF01 and am really torn between that wheel and the 795M wheel. Similar wheels to my eye but I like the fact that the HRE wheels are wider which would mean I wouldn't have to run spacers (I like a flush look)
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Hre told me +30 front and +42 rear offset when I ordered my FF10's last week in 20's
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      02-28-2020, 12:09 PM   #10
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Update 3.3.20 - I connected with HRE again today and they are always very helpful and patient on the phone - kudos to them for great customer service! Anyhoo this is the second time I've been told by HRE that they do not offer their FF wheels in a 5x112 bolt pattern just yet - so I'm not sure what to say....I guess I wait. It's odd because based on other posts here in the forum it would seem the 5x112 is available but I'm not going to argue with the manufacturer about their own product. So I guess disregard my comments about HRE wheels below specifically for now (remember my first call to them I was told they were available it was my two subsequent calls to them I was told they are not).

Looking forward to updated information from anyone here or HRE when it is available. For now hopefully my sizing logic below helps a bit





Sooooo in that I am in the market as well I figured I'd dig in a bit and share what I found out, this should help.....the FF01's only come in:

-20 x 9: et35
-20 x 9: et25
-20 x 10.5: et35

HRE claims that the 20 x 10.5 et is too aggressive for the rear which means with the 20" only a square setup would work (9" wide Front and Rear).

That said the 19" options are pretty good at

-19 x 8.5: et25
-19 x 9.5: et42

Now we can compare that to a stock 19" 792M wheel with spacers (Like some here are running to get things flush)

-19 x 8: et27 with 15 spacer = et: 12
-19 x8.5: et40 with 13 spacer = et: 27


So punching the aforementioned into a wheel offset calculator, when comparing a oem 792 "flush" setup achieved with spacers vs the HRE 19" offering we get the following:

-Front inner clearance would be: 19mm less
-Front outer position would retract by: 7mm
-Rear inner clearance would be: 28mm less
-Rear outer position would retract by: 2mm


If I were to run this setup (which I may) I would run a 5mm spacer in the front on HRE FF01's which would give me a fitment very close to flush front and rear.

For reference here are the 792M wheels with spacers that I used as a starting point. Remember the HRE's (with a 5mm spacer in front) would be 2mm Front & Rear more tucked (however the overall wheel width would be wider which is always nice) vs these pictures - which would be perfect for me.
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Directly from Jon at HRE before I ordered!
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Directly from Jon at HRE before I ordered!
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      03-01-2020, 11:13 PM   #13
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******take all this with a grain of salt until i reconfirm with HRE that they didn't inadvertently confuse the FF01 with the FF10*******you can follow the logic regarding offset etc but i want to make sure the specs are correct on the hre wheels i referenced

I'll update specs on Monday - I called HRE yesterday to update this (as I was driving past them in San Diego) and the sales person actually told me they have no wheels for the G20 - I politely told them they did but he wouldn't budge....sooo I'll try again Monday and get someone else on the line our fitment is obviously something new to them



Sooooo in that I am in the market as well I figured I'd dig in a bit and share what I found out, this should help.....the FF01's only come in:

-20 x 9: et35
-20 x 9: et25
-20 x 10.5: et35

HRE claims that the 20 x 10.5 et is too aggressive for the rear which means with the 20" only a square setup would work (9" wide Front and Rear).

That said the 19" options are pretty good at

-19 x 8.5: et25
-19 x 9.5: et42

Now we can compare that to a stock 19" 792M wheel with spacers (Like some here are running to get things flush)

-19 x 8: et27 with 15 spacer = et: 12
-19 x8.5: et40 with 13 spacer = et: 27


So punching the aforementioned into a wheel offset calculator, when comparing a oem 792 "flush" setup achieved with spacers vs the HRE 19" offering we get the following:

-Front inner clearance would be: 19mm less
-Front outer position would retract by: 7mm
-Rear inner clearance would be: 28mm less
-Rear outer position would retract by: 2mm


If I were to run this setup (which I may) I would run a 5mm spacer in the front on HRE FF01's which would give me a fitment very close to flush front and rear.

For reference here are the 792M wheels with spacers that I used as a starting point. Remember the HRE's (with a 5mm spacer in front) would be 2mm Front & Rear more tucked (however the overall wheel width would be wider which is always nice) vs these pictures - which would be perfect for me.

This is incredibly helpful Chenry, thank you!

How does the calculation to achieve a flush look change if we use 19x9 in front? Iím aware these sizes might not be available in the FF01, but trying to wrap my head around these fitment calculations in case I explore other wheels and sizes.
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This is incredibly helpful Chenry, thank you!

How does the calculation to achieve a flush look change if we use 19x9 in front? Iím aware these sizes might not be available in the FF01, but trying to wrap my head around these fitment calculations in case I explore other wheels and sizes.
Glad it helped some. So the 19x9 in front would extend an additional 1/4" in and a 1/4" out due to it's wider width. If you didn't want the wheel to poke you would want to adjust the offset accordingly. As we go wider it's not only an issue of flush/poke etc...but also clearance on the inner side of the wheel/tire to the struct, fender liners etc...

We have a pretty good idea of how to achieve a flush look on front (based on my calcs, please confirm and or anyone correct me if I'm wrong) it's
19 x 8 = et: 12

Now using a wheel offset calculator you can start to play around with different wheel widths and offset scenarios. This calculator is pretty good but there are many others out there.

https://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Whee...et-Calculator#

ps-remember if you start playing around with spacer scenarios on the calculator adding a spacer decreases the offset :-). (example a wheel with an offset of 40mm running a 15mm has an effective offset of 25mm

again all I try to help where I can but I am not an expert - please please update any of the info here if you find it to be incorrect
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Hey guys, Iím looking at vff112 from Vorsteiner now.

They offer 19x8.5 with 20 offset in front
And 19x9.5 with 35 offset in the rear.

I donít plan to use any spacers.. How do you think this will look? And how far from flush will it be?
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Hey guys, I'm looking at vff112 from Vorsteiner now.

They offer 19x8.5 with 20 offset in front
And 19x9.5 with 35 offset in the rear.

I don't plan to use any spacers.. How do you think this will look? And how far from flush will it be?
play around with offset calculators to figure out what is acceptable to you. With this thread you get a good idea of what flush is (maybe +\- a few mm) from there you can decide what you want to achieve and then layer in tires

At the end of the day it's very subjective - some like poke - some like stretch - some like flush - some like tuck etc

No right or wrong - just a matter of what you are after - looks? performance? staggered? Square? etc

With more info maybe someone here can help :-)

ps- nice wheel you are looking at
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play around with offset calculators to figure out what is acceptable to you. With this thread you get a good idea of what flush is (maybe +\- a few mm) from there you can decide what you want to achieve and then layer in tires

At the end of the day it's very subjective - some like poke - some like stretch - some like flush - some like tuck etc

No right or wrong - just a matter of what you are after - looks? performance? staggered? Square? etc

With more info maybe someone here can help :-)

ps- nice wheel you are looking at
Thanks as always for your help Chenry- how do I figure out tire sizes?

With the front wheel 19x8.5 et 20 and rear 19x9.5 et 35 will the following tires work?

245/35/19 front
265/30/19 rear
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