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      01-16-2018, 01:11 PM   #133
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I know it's a free world but I really don't get the point of posts like this, especially when the topic has been done to death in many other posts.

Just another excuse for someone who drives an M car, big deal, to show how "big" their dick is?
....Yeah! But lets keep on killing it,...until those that don't get the point,...Get The Point!
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      01-16-2018, 01:47 PM   #134
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can be a different between EU spec and US spec..
Or a special edition fitted with the parts.
If SakhirM4 posts the last 7 digits of his z3's VIN we can exactly see which option codes it had coming from the factory and where the parts came with.
BMW lists both steeringwheels as base parts, so its not a part that comes on the base model, its part of some optional packeage.

I can see that the gearknob is an option in the S435A packeage, which could be delivered without m badge on the knob (part 25111434610) or with m badge (part 25112229677). Careful with that gearknob, its expensive at over $200 nowadays
In the ETK you can exactly see which part came with which option packeage.
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      01-16-2018, 02:19 PM   #135
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Or a special edition fitted with the parts.
If SakhirM4 posts the last 7 digits of his z3's VIN we can exactly see which option codes it had coming from the factory and where the parts came with.
BMW lists both steeringwheels as base parts, so its not a part that comes on the base model, its part of some optional packeage.

I can see that the gearknob is an option in the S435A packeage, which could be delivered without m badge on the knob (part 25111434610) or with m badge (part 25112229677). Careful with that gearknob, its expensive at over $200 nowadays
The Z3 has the Sport Package, which included sports seats, M steering wheel, M shift knob, 17" cross spoke wheels. I never said that I had a base model. It is a 3.0i which has a higher trim level than the 2.5i In addition, my Z3 is a Dinan S-1 including Dinan serial number. Dinan S-1 includes big bore throttle body, cold air intake, Stage 3 software, lower springs and shocks, bigger sway bars, and exhaust.

Last 7 of VIN is LJ57885
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      01-16-2018, 02:22 PM   #136
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But then they're option ticked parts yes?

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Thats an M shiftknob and m steering wheel.
Seperately purchaced or option ticked parts.
Your vin lists option 710 M Leather Steering Wheel, probably sold as packeage deal with seats etc as the Sport Package you mention.

Like I said in my previous post, bmw has been doing that for a long time.
However m badges on the outside on non m models is I think something from the last few years.
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      01-16-2018, 02:30 PM   #138
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But then they're option ticked parts yes?



Your vin lists option 710 M Leather Steering Wheel, probably sold as packeage deal with seats etc as the Sport Package you mention.

Like I said in my previous post, bmw has been doing that for a long time.
However m badges on the outside on non m models is I think something from the last few years.
Yes they were options from the factory. BMW NA has many of it's own packages which are not necessarily the same as other countries.
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Yes they were options from the factory. BMW NA has many of it's own packages which are not necessarily the same as other countries.
yes packeages, but those packeages are usually a collection of option numbers.
Most countries/importers make these action packed models. For instance where I live a (prefacelift) z4 3.0is, 2.5is etc has been sold. But thats just a z4 with leather, parking sensors chromeline interior and some other goodies.
You can buy the exact same trim level in any other country if you tick the options. Theyre not options that are bespoke for that country.
The only thing not tickeable was the letter s on the badge; I dont know if that was fitted at the factory or that the importer fitted that (my guess is the last)
Usually the parts themselves (optional parts that is, mechanical parts is different mostly due to regulations) can be ticked in any country.
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      01-16-2018, 02:47 PM   #140
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yes packeages, but those packeages are usually a collection of option numbers.
Most countries/importers make these action packed models. For instance where I live a (prefacelift) z4 3.0is, 2.5is etc has been sold. But thats just a z4 with leather, parking sensors chromeline interior and some other goodies.
You can buy the exact same trim level in any other country if you tick the options. Theyre not options that are bespoke for that country.
The only thing not tickeable was the letter s on the badge; I dont know if that was fitted at the factory or that the importer fitted that (my guess is the last)
Usually the parts themselves (optional parts that is, mechanical parts is different mostly due to regulations) can be ticked in any country.
I didn't say they were bespoke - just that they might be packaged or optioned differently.

In the case of the 325es, the es was a single emblem that was mounted next to the 325 emblem. This was done at the factory not by the importer.

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^yes I know, the es was a model solely made for the us with a detuned, emission regulated engine, with larger capacity etc. That car and its parts is also seperately listed in the ETK under the us market section.
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      01-21-2018, 08:24 PM   #142
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M specific options were the factory answer to the fake Mís

A while back BMW started creating things like different hoods,fenders,spoilers,roofs, that would make it cost prohibiting to create a fake M.It just seems that now and days they wanted to boost sales for a while by sharing some M car options or components to keep the sales strong.While I agree that dilutes the M brand,it doesn’t dilute the performance of my M4.I really didn’t get it for the image because I think that for the money there are cars that have more of status symbol image.A lot of people don’t know the spread between a 320 and an m3 .People not into cars might think a 528 is higher end vehicle due to the series or size.
Fake M’s don’t really impress the average car consumer so it’s kind of pointless.Bmw always gives the consumer good performance in each model and now you can dial it up with m performance options that fine tune the experience.Having owned Real M models and Msport models,I like both for different applications.You just need to make up your mind in the showroom how much you value performance vs costs so you can drive without that feeling of maybe I bought the wrong model.

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That's interesting. I suppose I've seen more than I realise.
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Something looked off with this M5. Bonus points if you rock 2 different license plates.
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Something looked off with this M5. Bonus points if you rock 2 different license plates.
LXIX = 69, so ... that tells you pretty much everything about that owner.
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Something looked off with this M5. Bonus points if you rock 2 different license plates.
LXIX = 69, so ... that tells you pretty much everything about that owner.
Ha! Didn't even catch that.
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pz619 The front fascia is a dead m-sport give away without getting into the nitty gritty of the side panels of any //M car that sets it apart. Just took a second look and saw that huge M logo on the front, I'm amused
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Something looked off with this M5. Bonus points if you rock 2 different license plates.
...6 tailpipes?
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...6 tailpipes?
It was actually 4, but the last tailpipe is casting a shadow on the diffuser fin creating that optical illusion. Not that this makes this car much "better".
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Okay - here you go.

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Back on topic - I agree to disagree wrt: brand dilution. It's hard to go into my local dealership without tripping over a random M badge. They're so common now, like pennies.

When everything is extraordinary (M-badged), then nothing really is.

With the current management, it can't be long before the i-brand starts sporting M badges, too.
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Albert Biermann left BMW and started N at Hyundai
What's funny about Biermann moving to N?

Biermann WAS the BMW M division when M was dominant and a real, more practical alternative to a Porsche 911.

Back in the day, people would ask "what kind of car is that?" referring to a BMW. They wondered what the attraction was for a foreign, compact, quirky, car that was unknown to the masses in N America.

If you didn't know, you just didn't.

A rational person could argue that there's more M DNA at Hyundai N division today (via Biermann), than there is in Munich.
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What's funny about Biermann moving to N?

Biermann WAS the BMW M division when M was dominant and a real, more practical alternative to a Porsche 911.

Back in the day, people would ask "what kind of car is that?" referring to a BMW. They wondered what the attraction was for a foreign, compact, quirky, car that was unknown to the masses in N America.

If you didn't know, you just didn't.

A rational person could argue that there's more M DNA at Hyundai N division today (via Biermann), than there is in Munich.
Having owned 15 BMWs and several ///Ms, I would totally disagree. My M4 has as much ///M DNA as my e46 M3 did and in some cases, more. Everyone has a right to an opinion though.
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