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      01-06-2017, 10:51 AM   #45
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Change Trump to Obama, and the same people here would be calling him an American hating communist.
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      01-06-2017, 10:55 AM   #46
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Just curious

If we were in the last month of Trump's 2 terms of presidency and throughout those 7 years and 11 months there had been regular hacks of government and private entities by state and private entities around the world and trump had done nothing...........but then suddenly in the last month he decided to kick out the diplimats of ONE country without any evidence being released demonstrating attribution/blame what would the lefts response be?
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Just curious

If we were in the last month of Trump's 2 terms of presidency and throughout those 7 years and 11 months there had been regular hacks of government and private entities by state and private entities around the world and trump had done nothing...........but then suddenly in the last month he decided to kick out the diplimats of ONE country without any evidence being released demonstrating attribution/blame what would the lefts response be?
Obviously it's all political, I don't think anyone is disputing that. The alleged Russian hack is one that attempted to influence an election which is a little different.

Still, the knee jerk reaction is political more than anything.
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      01-06-2017, 11:13 AM   #48
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Obviously it's all political, I don't think anyone is disputing that. The alleged Russian hack is one that attempted to influence an election which is a little different.

Still, the knee jerk reaction is political more than anything.
Obviously its 100% political on the part of Oblunder

More to the point though is the fact that there's ZERO evidence that even if the russians compromised various systems that they stole information

And there's even less to suggest/prove that if they did take info that they shared it with any non russian groups

I'm all for standing up to Russia where it makes sense but Oblunder's actions on this are that of a petulent child
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Obviously, they'd be calling for a redo of the election and all this. Besides, they already call him that anyway.

Quite a few kool aid drinkers here, they're just hilarious to laugh at.

In real life, they are all probably smart, well to do people. It's just that when they get into politics, they sound like complete loons. They're like the people at work you probably like to work with then at the holiday party when they get one too many they start talking about politics then you realize the person you've been working with for the past several years may be border line crazy, or a functional retard.

We've all been there.
Could you imagine:

Trump is trying to restore relations with Russia: Good
Obama trying to restore relations with Iran/Iraq_______ Bad

Trump openly praises a world leader: smart, strong
Obama openly praises a world leader: Weak, hates America

Trump bashes American intelligence agency: Justified
Obama stating that cops may be becoming to militarized: Hates cops and America.
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Could you imagine:

Trump is trying to restore relations with Russia: Good
Obama trying to restore relations with Iran the number one state sponsor of terrorism_______ Bad
Obama trying to make a cursory attempt to clean up the mess he made in Iraq in the first place by failing to maintain relations with them and as a result led to the creation of ISIS......a small step in the right direction

Trump openly praises a world leader: smart, strong
Obama openly praises sponsors of terrorism: Weak, hates America
Fixed that for you
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Fixed that for you
What's state sponsored Terrorism?
How is Iraq Obama's mess?
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What's state sponsored Terrorism?
One example is Iran sending money, men, missiles and other materiel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist groups......

Gee....Didnt Oblunder just give Iran over 160 billion dollars in hard currency and PM's?



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How is Iraq Obama's mess?
Why dont you take a wild guess based on the timeline of events in Iraq since Oblunder took office
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Fixed that for you
[QUOTE=jpnh;21081122]One example is Iran sending money, men, missiles and other materiel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist groups....../QUOTE]
You mean like the US and Saudi Arabia does?

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Gee....Didnt Oblunder just give Iran over 160 billion dollars in hard currency and PM's?





Why dont you take a wild guess based on the timeline of events in Iraq since Oblunder took office
You mean OBAMA? And again, how is Iraq HIS fault? How is giving Iran back THEIR money wrong?

Why are we dictating our foreign policy around poorly defined "terrorism"
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What's state sponsored Terrorism?
How is Iraq Obama's mess?
You will eventually learn that your logic will never work and it is a pointless waste of time.

You also don't understand that the the Iraq mess started Jan. 20, 2009, before then it was going really well.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...mepage%2Fstory

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President-elect Donald Trump emerged from a meeting with the nation’s top intelligence officials Friday seeming to acknowledge at least the possibility that Russia was behind election-related hacks, but offering no indication that he was prepared to accept U.S. spy agencies’ conclusion that Moscow sought to help him win.

Instead, Trump said in a statement issued just minutes after the high-level meeting ended that whatever hacking had occurred, “there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election.”

Trump’s statement seemed designed to create the impression that this was the view of the intelligence officials, including Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. and CIA Director John Brennan, who had met with him.

But weighing whether Russia’s intervention altered the outcome of the 2016 race was beyond the scope of the review that the nation’s spy agencies completed this week. And Clapper testified in a Senate hearing Thursday that U.S. intelligence services “have no way of gauging the impact . . . it had on the choices the electorate made. There’s no way for us to gauge that.”
But since this is from the evil MSM, we can only assume this story is fake.

EDIT: A declassified version of the report has been released:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pu...uence-election

Putin himself apparently ordered the campaign.

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"It is over."
Joe Biden today.

Had to.
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"It is over."
Joe Biden today.

Had to.
Well no one is saying we should have a "re-do". Trump's right, no way to prove that Putin's efforts even had an impact on the election results.

Glad Biden is shutting up those who think otherwise.

Good for Trump to be open to have a change of opinion based on the evidence presented to him and hopefully he and the intelligence community can continue to work together efficiently and effectively.
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Well no one is saying we should have a "re-do". Trump's right, no way to prove that Putin's efforts even had an impact on the election results.

Glad Biden is shutting up those who think otherwise.

Good for Trump to be open to have a change of opinion based on the evidence presented to him and hopefully he and the intelligence community can continue to work together efficiently and effectively.
Au contraire mon frère. They've only just begun.

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Au contraire mon frère. They've only just begun.
They're just wasting their time.
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You mean OBAMA? And again, how is Iraq HIS fault? How is giving Iran back THEIR money wrong?

Why are we dictating our foreign policy around poorly defined "terrorism"
Nope, its Oblunder

It was HIS failure and CLINTON"S to renegotiate in good faith a continuation in agreement with Iraq that created ISIS

As far as Iran goes its origin is with the Shaj of Iran

and it revolved around 400 million

Shah was overthrown.....our deal was not with the terrorists in charge of Iran that took hundreds of americans hostage for over a hear and ruined many of their lives.....which they recieved little if any compensation for

The other 1.3 billion was allegedly for "interests" on the ilegitimate 400 million

None of this takes into consideration the terrorists in charge of Iran destroying the american embassy or a raft of other greivances

We owed them nothing and had no obligation to give them ANY of it let alone interest

But OBlunder went a step further.....he complied with their demand to give them funds in foreign currency AND PM's

What a spineless apologist joke
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Nope, its Oblunder

It was HIS failure and CLINTON"S to renegotiate in good faith a continuation in agreement with Iraq that created ISIS
Despite the fact that a sovereign nation didn't want us in their country? OK.

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As far as Iran goes its origin is with the Shaj of Iran

and it revolved around 400 million

Shah was overthrown.....our deal was not with the terrorists in charge of Iran that took hundreds of americans hostage for over a hear and ruined many of their lives.....which they recieved little if any compensation for

The other 1.3 billion was allegedly for "interests" on the ilegitimate 400 million
It was either their money, or it wasn't. Everyone says it was, you claim otherwise. Guess who I'm going to believe 0 not the guy with the shit ass judgment and poor track record.


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None of this takes into consideration the terrorists in charge of Iran destroying the american embassy or a raft of other greivances

We owed them nothing and had no obligation to give them ANY of it let alone interest

But OBlunder went a step further.....he complied with their demand to give them funds in foreign currency AND PM's

What a spineless apologist joke
Yeah, What a spineless joke for him to try to restore relations with Iran.
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US election hacking: Putin 'sought to help' Trump
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38538002
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Despite the fact that a sovereign nation didn't want us in their country? OK.
Iraq wanted us to stay.....it was the terms under which they wanted us that Oblunder and Clinton failed to negotiate effectively


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It was either their money, or it wasn't. Everyone says it was, you claim otherwise. Guess who I'm going to believe 0 not the guy with the shit ass judgment and poor track record.

Of COURSE it wasnt their money.....as I stated previously it belonged to the Shah....not the terrorists that are running Iran now

Again we're back to your complete failure to read



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IYeah, What a spineless joke for him to try to restore relations with Iran.
What a spineless douche

Remember the green revolution in Iran early in Oblunder's first term?

What did he do?

Nothing except cozy up with the terrorist tyrants in charge supporting Hezbollah, Hamas and others

Funny we have a theme here wrt his foreign policy

He supports the people who support terrorism

We've witnessed it in Syria, Egypt and Libya, Iraq and Iran
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You will eventually learn that your logic will never work and it is a pointless waste of time.

You also don't understand that the the Iraq mess started Jan. 20, 2009, before then it was going really well.
I read PH.D. all over the above post.
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As expected the declassified report contains no evidence for the public.

Biggest takeaway from the report, it stated the emails were not doctered. So all the DNC corruption/collusion they revealed is true, not fake news.
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As expected the declassified report contains no evidence for the public.

Biggest takeaway from the report, it stated the emails were not doctered. So all the DNC corruption/collusion they revealed is true, not fake news.
You described very well one of the most successful dangerous covert intelligence actions perpetrated against the U.S..
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