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      01-24-2017, 08:07 PM   #1
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Trump to ban migrants from 6 Muslim countries

Donald Trump is reportedly expected to sign several executive orders on Wednesday banning immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries that are believed to play host to significant elements of Islamist terrorism.

They include;
Iraq
Iran
Libya
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Yemen

Countries we typically don't get a high number of immigrants from.

Interestingly, the 19 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Lebanon. None of which are on this list.

So, the question is; Will this actually make a difference, or is it more a PR move to appease his constituents?
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Donald Trump is reportedly expected to sign several executive orders on Wednesday banning immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries that are believed to play host to significant elements of Islamist terrorism.

They include;
Iraq
Iran
Libya
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Yemen

Countries we typically don't get a high number of immigrants from.

Interestingly, the 19 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Lebanon. None of which are on this list.

So, the question is; Will this actually make a difference, or is it more a PR move to appease his constituents?
I don't think Saudi, UAE, Egypt, and Lebanon are ares am where there is current unrest/war going on?

Glad to see this happen, and hopefully cut down on some of the insanity of the Obama Administration. Taking people in from these areas in their current state is idiocy - just ask the Germans.
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Honestly ill just ban anyone from islamic faith until they deal with the wahabi. Christian in Syria who are getting slaughter and can assimilate with our culture should have a way of escape.
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I don't think Saudi, UAE, Egypt, and Lebanon are ares am where there is current unrest/war going on?

Glad to see this happen, and hopefully cut down on some of the insanity of the Obama Administration. Taking people in from these areas in their current state is idiocy - just ask the Germans.
You really like to be exceptionally selective with your facts, don't you? The issue in Germany is refugees, not immigration. Your President is about to ban immigration through legal channels from these countries which is entirely different than illegal migrants streaming across borders and Chancellor Merkel's decision to welcome high numbers of them.

Some posters here are just daft, but you are more insidious in that you're obviously somewhat informed and seek out a basic understanding on a number of issues, but you chooseto amuse yourself by deliberately twisting facts to post something like this.
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You really like to be exceptionally selective with your facts, don't you? The issue in Germany is refugees, not immigration. Your President is about to ban immigration through legal channels from these countries which is entirely different than illegal migrants streaming across borders and Chancellor Merkel's decision to welcome high numbers of them.

Some posters here are just daft, but you are more insidious in that you're obviously somewhat informed and seek out a basic understanding on a number of issues, but you chooseto amuse yourself by deliberately twisting facts to post something like this.

They arent refugee most 'refugees' are from every other backwater in the middle east and Africa coming in for free money and with no plans on assimilating
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They arent refugee most 'refugees' are from every other backwater in the middle east and Africa coming in for free money and with no plans on assimilating
A completely irrelevant non-sequitor. bbbbmw compared the situation in Germany to the proposed immigration ban. They represent completely different populations. I'm not debating issues that may or may not exist with the migrant population entering Europe.
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Donald Trump is reportedly expected to sign several executive orders on Wednesday banning immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries that are believed to play host to significant elements of Islamist terrorism.

They include;
Iraq
Iran
Libya
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Yemen

Countries we typically don't get a high number of immigrants from.

Interestingly, the 19 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Lebanon. None of which are on this list.

So, the question is; Will this actually make a difference, or is it more a PR move to appease his constituents?
Hurts us more than it helps. Especially considering most of the attacks came from domestic/US citizens that radicalized. As a second generation immigrant this is unbelievably depressing.
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A completely irrelevant non-sequitor. bbbbmw compared the situation in Germany to the proposed immigration ban. They represent completely different populations. I'm not debating issues that may or may not exist with the migrant population entering Europe.
Only different between europe immigration issue and american one is that the central/south american are more compitable with our culture than the arabs.
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I don't think Saudi, UAE, Egypt, and Lebanon are ares am where there is current unrest/war going on?

Glad to see this happen, and hopefully cut down on some of the insanity of the Obama Administration. Taking people in from these areas in their current state is idiocy - just ask the Germans.
You really like to be exceptionally selective with your facts, don't you? The issue in Germany is refugees, not immigration. Your President is about to ban immigration through legal channels from these countries which is entirely different than illegal migrants streaming across borders and Chancellor Merkel's decision to welcome high numbers of them.

Some posters here are just daft, but you are more insidious in that you're obviously somewhat informed and seek out a basic understanding on a number of issues, but you chooseto amuse yourself by deliberately twisting facts to post something like this.
I'm insidious! Finally! And to think how hard I've been trying all these years!

Immigration or refugees - in both situations you are allowing people to enter your country, so is there really a difference as it applies to keeping them out?

The US has no obligation to allow immigration whatsoever. I think we should also slam the door to Canadians - no one should be eating Poutine.
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Honestly ill just ban anyone from islamic faith until they deal with the wahabi. Christian in Syria who are getting slaughter and can assimilate with our culture should have a way of escape.
I think there are serious logistical issues with that (like how do you realistically "test" for faith). That's why he is selecting countries, which means regardless of faith.

Bigger concern for me is that I think Saudi Arabia is a hot bed for radicalism and they are not on the list.
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Donald Trump is reportedly expected to sign several executive orders on Wednesday banning immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries that are believed to play host to significant elements of Islamist terrorism.

They include;
Iraq
Iran
Libya
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Yemen

Countries we typically don't get a high number of immigrants from.

Interestingly, the 19 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Lebanon. None of which are on this list.

So, the question is; Will this actually make a difference, or is it more a PR move to appease his constituents?
I would say more of a PR move. This won't do squat.
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I think there are serious logistical issues with that (like how do you realistically "test" for faith). That's why he is selecting countries, which means regardless of faith.

Bigger concern for me is that I think Saudi Arabia is a hot bed for radicalism and they are not on the list.
They are not on the list because they are our allies.
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I think there are serious logistical issues with that (like how do you realistically "test" for faith). That's why he is selecting countries, which means regardless of faith.

Bigger concern for me is that I think Saudi Arabia is a hot bed for radicalism and they are not on the list.
SA funds all the radical mosques so yeah they are ground zero but since they are the ones who allow for the petro dollar to exist our hands are tied
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A completely irrelevant non-sequitor. bbbbmw compared the situation in Germany to the proposed immigration ban. They represent completely different populations. I'm not debating issues that may or may not exist with the migrant population entering Europe.
Can you tell me what the difference is between someone who has ill intentions pretending to be a refugee to get into a country and someone who has ill intentions pretending to be an immigrant to get into a country?

I mean, i understand the difference between Germany's refuge issues and standard immigration, but why does the method in which someone who has ill intentions gains access to the country make any difference?
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I'm insidious! Finally! And to think how hard I've been trying all these years!

Immigration or refugees - in both situations you are allowing people to enter your country, so is there really a difference as it applies to keeping them out?

The US has no obligation to allow immigration whatsoever. I think we should also slam the door to Canadians - no one should be eating Poutine.
LOL... This actually made me laugh... Canadians don't want to immigrate to the US... Think about it. We have a free medical system, amazing schooling and a welfare system in case you're in trouble... We are socialists and love it. I am assuming you are being facetious

On a more serious note. I do agree that immigration has to be radically overhauled because none of us want to have to deal with the kind of shit that's happening in Europe! Question of whether it should be completely blocked vs extremely vetted. The way I see it, extreme vetting is a reasonable choice. I understand that some people are in dire straits and need to escape horrific living situations such as Syria and therefore giving them an opportunity makes alot of sense to me as long as there's a process to ensure we are not stuck with some radicalized nut bag.

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I'm insidious! Finally! And to think how hard I've been trying all these years!

Immigration or refugees - in both situations you are allowing people to enter your country, so is there really a difference as it applies to keeping them out?

The US has no obligation to allow immigration whatsoever. I think we should also slam the door to Canadians - no one should be eating Poutine.
LOL... This actually made me laugh... Canadians don't want to immigrate to the US... Think about it. We have a free medical system, amazing schooling and a welfare system in case you're in trouble... We are socialists and love it. I am assuming you are being facetious

On a more serious note. I do agree that immigration has to be radically overhauled because none of us want to have to deal with the kind of shit that's happening in Europe! Question of whether it should be completely blocked vs extremely vetted. The way I see it, extreme vetting is a reasonable choice. I understand that some people are in dire straits and need to escape horrific living situations such as Syria and therefore giving them an opportunity makes alot of sense to me as long as there's a process to ensure we are not stuck with some radicalized nut bag.

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I'm not be facetious - I'm too busy being INSIDIOUS!!!!

I happy that you are happy with the Canadian system - that's seriously what matters.

Also wondering if the list of countries that Trump is banning lack the infrastructure to do vetting?
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I think there are serious logistical issues with that (like how do you realistically "test" for faith). That's why he is selecting countries, which means regardless of faith.

Bigger concern for me is that I think Saudi Arabia is a hot bed for radicalism and they are not on the list.
I think they would still have to apply and as such enter a vetting process.
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Donald Trump is reportedly expected to sign several executive orders on Wednesday banning immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries that are believed to play host to significant elements of Islamist terrorism.

They include;
Iraq
Iran
Libya
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Yemen

Countries we typically don't get a high number of immigrants from.

Interestingly, the 19 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Lebanon. None of which are on this list.

So, the question is; Will this actually make a difference, or is it more a PR move to appease his constituents?
Hurts us more than it helps. Especially considering most of the attacks came from domestic/US citizens that radicalized. As a second generation immigrant this is unbelievably depressing.
How does denying immigration or entry to people from these countries hurt us?

And I don't believe that "most" of the recent attacks in the US came from domestic citizens? Offhand I can't think of one that came from other than an immigrant or the child of a middle eastern immigrant?
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OP is back with his misleading fake news.

Trump is temporarily stopping the migration of refugees until the vetting standards are re-evaluated to his liking.

Do I agree with it? No not really, I'm not sure it's necessary. But he's the President and he's doing what he feels is right, and it's completely within the legal confines. I bet you weren't complaining OP when Obama signed his perfectly legal executive orders?

Do you just sit around all day, refresh Buzzfeed and The Young Turks, waiting to post another misleading and pointless thread on Bimmerpost?
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How does denying immigration or entry to people from these countries hurt us?

And I don't believe that "most" of the recent attacks in the US came from domestic citizens? Offhand I can't think of one that came from other than an immigrant or the child of a middle eastern immigrant?
By depriving the US of productive citizens that want an opportunity to be here. Those people outweigh the ones that want to do harm. You know, families like mine. The kind that contribute to the betterment of society and the kind that can afford BMWs.

Am I advocating open borders without checks? No. There is a median and closed borders are a xenophobic solution at best.
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By depriving the US of productive citizens that want an opportunity to be here. Those people outweigh the ones that want to do harm. You know, families like mine. The kind that contribute to the betterment of society and the kind that can afford BMWs.

Am I advocating open borders without checks? No. There is a median and closed borders are a xenophobic solution at best.
Restricting immigration hardly meets the definition of xenophobic. In addition, immigrants are not citizens. They are only potential citizens.

Maybe we should set up an exchange program of immigrants for citizens that don't want to be here because Trump is president.
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Odd, you'd think those fleeing oppressive Islamic regimes and ISIS would be exactly the kinds of people that you'd want to provide a home for in the USA as they'd be champions against that kind of Wahabist(saudi!) radicalism.

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