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      05-19-2017, 04:51 PM   #67
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Trump has plenty of flaws and if it was me in the White House I'd say less and try to do more. On the other hand I think he is a man of action and is driven to accomplish what he sets out to do. Can't say that for most politicians especially the legislators. It seems every day I get home from work and the news is on, I see the same 5-6 democratic senators or congress men or women on TV ranting about how we need an independent prosecutor to investigate collusion between Trump and Russia, or firing Comey, etc. I can't help but think out loud, "Get off the TV and do your f'ing job. And BTW your job is to legislate, not blather on in front of cameras to make yourself feel important." We pay these clowns with our hard earned tax dollars and send them to D.C. where they are doing nothing but community theater. If Trump can be an agent of change to make the people in D.C. start actually doing some work, then I say more power to him.

/close thread.

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Wrong. A Congressman's "job" is to represent their constituents' interests on Congressional matters. And Congressional matters are more than just passing legislation. Matters of impeachment, for example, are within Congress's purview. If their constituents feel strongly enough to make Trump's impeachment a priority, then that this their prerogative. If it's not, they will let him/her know.

Obviously you feel that your Representative/Senator should spend more time passing bills. Fine. But realize that their job is greater than that.
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I aint scared of crap. I lived under a few Republican presidents and senate/congresses and will again no doubt. I've heard short sighted republicans and democrats claim "the end of the other party" before.

The people I do think should be scared are the ones who put all their credibility eggs in that basket of a petulant, mentally unstable child.

I'm just enjoying sitting back and watching this guy implode
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I finally figured out why the Democrats are now calling for Trump's impeachment. It's not because they hate him, which they do for some reason, but rather because they are scared of him. They are scared that 49% of the voting public believe in his agenda. His agenda is pro-American, anti-socialism, and anti-Washington politician BS. If he is successful it will kill the Democrats powerbase; he already reformed the Republican party establishment powerbase in the primaries.

It's fun to see people panic; it's why disaster movies are so popular. This panic by the Dems is even better because it is real.

I hope he keeps at it.
Yeah... You've got us allllll figured out there genius.

Well... Having ANY so called POTUS as incompetent, corruptible, narcissistic, racist, and clearly attempting to obstruct justice, should have any living, breathing American concerned...

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And many of the career politicians are not pathological liars?
None are trustworthy but I can't remember one that was as blatant as Trump. His lies are so transparent that they insult our intelligence.
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Actually, I use the "New Posts" button at the top and it loads all new threads in all categories since my last visit. It's quite handy.

You are right I could have skipped over this thread. On the one hand I sometimes like to read what others' thoughts are on a variety of topics. But then when I delve in, it's frustrating to see the polarization in these political threads. Neither side is always right nor always wrong. Trump is not the messiah or the devil.

Trump has plenty of flaws and if it was me in the White House I'd say less and try to do more. On the other hand I think he is a man of action and is driven to accomplish what he sets out to do. Can't say that for most politicians especially the legislators. It seems every day I get home from work and the news is on, I see the same 5-6 democratic senators or congress men or women on TV ranting about how we need an independent prosecutor to investigate collusion between Trump and Russia, or firing Comey, etc. I can't help but think out loud, "Get off the TV and do your f'ing job. And BTW your job is to legislate, not blather on in front of cameras to make yourself feel important." We pay these clowns with our hard earned tax dollars and send them to D.C. where they are doing nothing but community theater. If Trump can be an agent of change to make the people in D.C. start actually doing some work, then I say more power to him.

/close thread.

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None are trustworthy but I can't remember one that was as blatant as Trump. His lies are so transparent that they insult our intelligence.
You saying we be telligent? whut? whelly?
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This is why people need to be more careful with statistics.

First: You said that "49% of the voting public believe in his agenda". You used the present tense, implying that 49% of the voting public currently believe in his agenda. You should have either used the past tense, or otherwise qualified your statement that 49% of the voting public believed in his agenda back in November 2016. The fact is, your 49% figure is 6 months old, and voter sentiment has certainly changed after Trump's first 4 months in office.

Second: Presidential elections are usually separated by mere percentage points. For example, in 1980, Reagan won with a mere 50.75% of the popular vote, despite a landslide victory in the Electoral College (489 electoral votes), meaning that 49.25% of the "voting public" opposed Reagan's agenda. And I doubt that Reagan or the Republicans were concerned with the 49.25% opposition. So, in the scope of the Presidential elections, your 49% figure is pretty meaningless. Hence, if the Democrats are "scared", as you assert, it's likely not because of the 49% figure.
In April it was widely reported that 96% to 98% of those people who voted for Trump would still have voted for him in April 2017, so if we do the math, Trump is still at 47% of voters who believe in his agenda as of April 2017.

And the media and Democrats pulled the same crap with Reagan too. Back in the day Reagan was also considered a political outsider and it scared the Dems back then too. This time Trump has got both party's establishment politicians scared.
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Actually, I use the "New Posts" button at the top and it loads all new threads in all categories since my last visit. It's quite handy.

You are right I could have skipped over this thread. On the one hand I sometimes like to read what others' thoughts are on a variety of topics. But then when I delve in, it's frustrating to see the polarization in these political threads. Neither side is always right nor always wrong. Trump is not the messiah or the devil.

Trump has plenty of flaws and if it was me in the White House I'd say less and try to do more. On the other hand I think he is a man of action and is driven to accomplish what he sets out to do. Can't say that for most politicians especially the legislators. It seems every day I get home from work and the news is on, I see the same 5-6 democratic senators or congress men or women on TV ranting about how we need an independent prosecutor to investigate collusion between Trump and Russia, or firing Comey, etc. I can't help but think out loud, "Get off the TV and do your f'ing job. And BTW your job is to legislate, not blather on in front of cameras to make yourself feel important." We pay these clowns with our hard earned tax dollars and send them to D.C. where they are doing nothing but community theater. If Trump can be an agent of change to make the people in D.C. start actually doing some work, then I say more power to him.

/close thread.

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With that, I say we do close this thread

Well said.
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Where do you get your 49%. Must be one of those alternative facts.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/
Isnt that the site that folks pimped all through the election predicting HRC would win and it fell flat on its face?
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I finally figured out why the Democrats are now calling for Trump's impeachment. It's not because they hate him, which they do for some reason, but rather because they are scared of him. They are scared that 49% of the voting public believe in his agenda. His agenda is pro-American, anti-socialism, and anti-Washington politician BS. If he is successful it will kill the Democrats powerbase; he already reformed the Republican party establishment powerbase in the primaries.

It's fun to see people panic; it's why disaster movies are so popular. This panic by the Dems is even better because it is real.

I hope he keeps at it.
It so much better than that though.

Hillary started this russia collusion/hacked the election last summer

MSM and Dems have been trying to keep this fable going all along because they cant believe that DJT beat HRC......according to them...."It was her turn"

A lot of dems are already backtracking/reconsidering this whole independent investigation thing because not only has Congress lost control of the investigation but the microscope will most certainly turn on their own.....

Here's one place it will likely go......recall Podesta's email back in Feb where he. Joel Benenson and Robbie Mook advocated making an example of a SUSPECTED leaker "whether or not we have any real basis for it"

Not long afterwards Seth Rich is shot in the back, nothing stolen from him and now it appears that the DC Metro PD are embroiled in a cover up where they were told to NOT investigate.

Keep in mind that Assange has said repeatedly that Seth Rich was the source of the Podesta emails......not the russians



Another person to keep an eye on next week is Comey

Comey is screwed

He's known for keeping notes

If he and DJT had a conversation and he thought he was being pressured to drop an investigation (alleged obstruction of justice) he is legally bound to report that to his superiors.

But he didnt......

So he has two choices.....either there was nothing to the conversation and Comey clears Trump OR there WAS something to the conversation and Comey broke the law and will most certainly be dragged through the mud and lose his license to practice

This whole thing is like the proverbial dog that caught the car in a sense.....the dems got their investigation......now they havent a clue what they're going to do

Count on investigations into the known crimes.....felony leaks of classified info to Reuters, WaPo, NYTimes and others.

Also dont be surprised if the gloves come off DJT and he goes for broke....he's got no reason to hold back

That tax plan is going to be a whole lot less moderated.....maybe a flat tax

Eliminate entire departments in the fed gov....Dept of Ed gone.....send thee money back to the states in block grants for school choice

The list goes on and on......but DJT may turn into the president that Dems actually ARE terrified of
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I finally figured out why the Democrats are now calling for Trump's impeachment. It's not because they hate him, which they do for some reason, but rather because they are scared of him. They are scared that 49% of the voting public believe in his agenda. His agenda is pro-American, anti-socialism, and anti-Washington politician BS. If he is successful it will kill the Democrats powerbase; he already reformed the Republican party establishment powerbase in the primaries.

It's fun to see people panic; it's why disaster movies are so popular. This panic by the Dems is even better because it is real.

I hope he keeps at it.
I'm all for Trump being impeached. The Repubilcans have set the bar for impeachment at lying during an investigation. So, with 2 of the thigns he has done in the past 10 days, he has done far beyond that.

1) Shared code-word level top secret information with Russian diplomats
2) Admitted to firing James Comey to halt an investigation against him, clear obstruction of justice.

If lying about a blow job gets impeachment, those 2 should do the same.
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Right, I lost my bet that Trump wouldnt survive his first 90 days.
But: I got another chance because I said also that he probably wouldnt make his full 4 years.
Seems like my chances are rising
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Right, I lost my bet that Trump wouldnt survive his first 90 days.
But: I got another chance because I said also that he probably wouldnt make his full 4 years.
Seems like my chances are rising
Republican controlled House without a single backbone in the bunch. Impeachment won't happen unless a few of them grow one.
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Right, I lost my bet that Trump wouldnt survive his first 90 days.
But: I got another chance because I said also that he probably wouldnt make his full 4 years.
Seems like my chances are rising
I bet on 112 days, and failed.



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Republican controlled House without a single backbone in the bunch. Impeachment won't happen unless a few of them grow one.
It's make or break time now for both parties. If democrats want him impeached for not agreeing with him, they too should rot in hell. That's not how democracy works. But what we've seen in the last 100+ days is not normal. If the new America is okay with being ran like this, then it is for us who are not from there time to shut up and rethink our alliances.

Our first lady endorsed a book affair she also had her book in display once, and that was a nation wide scandal. She stepped down from the venue (she actually is a good writer and endorses a lot of stuff that promotes kids literature) and we discussed for a year how to keep the president's office out commercial things, such as children's books.
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There are surely more things to mention that this, but I think this is nearly all to read somewhere here into the sections of the forum.
Final questions for me after an impeachment would be really initiated: Would Pence become automatically #1 when his boss has to leave?
Would US citizens ever elect a guy again who has a big mouth but not much more to offer?
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I finally figured out why the Democrats are now calling for Trump's impeachment. It's not because they hate him, which they do for some reason, but rather because they are scared of him. They are scared that 49% of the voting public believe in his agenda. His agenda is pro-American, anti-socialism, and anti-Washington politician BS. If he is successful it will kill the Democrats powerbase; he already reformed the Republican party establishment powerbase in the primaries.

It's fun to see people panic; it's why disaster movies are so popular. This panic by the Dems is even better because it is real.

I hope he keeps at it.
lol... the facts don't agree with you.

Anti-socialism equates to anti-populism, and asking for less from the 1% ers who receive. His campaign was driven by protecting the little guy - he is protecting the few, the proud, the wealthy.

Pro-American? Short term limited results for popularity will give way to less jobs in the future.

Anti-Washington? He filled much of his cabinet with politicians and many of those who are affiliated or gave millions to conservative causes.

You need to leave Fantasy Island and jump aboard the boat of reality.
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There are surely more things to mention that this, but I think this is nearly all to read somewhere here into the sections of the forum.
Final questions for me after an impeachment would be really initiated: Would Pence become automatically #1 when his boss has to leave?
Would US citizens ever elect a guy again who has a big mouth but not much more to offer?
An impeachment is basically like an indictment in a criminal trial; "being impeached" means congress is formally bringing charges against the president, it isn't a guilty verdict itself. If those charges are then proven in a subsequent trial and vote (congress essentially becomes the jury), then Trump would be removed from office and Pence would be sworn in as President.

If for any reason Pence were included in any charges and found guilty, it would then follow the line of succession to Paul Ryan. The Line of Succession currently runs 17 cabinet members deep (1 secretary is ineligible).
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An impeachment is basically like an indictment in a criminal trial; "being impeached" means congress is formally bringing charges against the president, it isn't a guilty verdict itself. If those charges are then proven in a subsequent trial and vote (congress essentially becomes the jury), then Trump would be removed from office and Pence would be sworn in as President.

If for any reason Pence were included in any charges and found guilty, it would then follow the line of succession to Paul Ryan. The Line of Succession currently runs 17 cabinet members deep (1 secretary is ineligible).
So at least its the choice between pest and cholera? Wow...thats unexpected.
I must admit that I have no really clue what happened if this should ever occur in Germany. If the chancellor would be impeached and removed by majority of votes, the next following person would be his deputy.
But then new public votes are on, to elect a new chancellor.
We had this once into our history, Willy Brand was removed by a no-confidence vote and was instantly replaced by his former rival.
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Y'all better hurry with the impeachment. Rumors swirling that a liberal Supreme Court seat is opening this summer.
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I usually call it like it is. I don't conform to one political party, I support individual politicians, ideas, and actions.

Donald Trump is a clown. A president should be presidential: well-respected and respectful to others, vastly intelligent and well-versed in social science, a role model for children and adults, a humble and selfless person...Trump is literally none of those things. The guy is a shitty person and has surrounded himself with shitty people.

Pro-American is not campaigning against and isolating classes of individuals (Muslims, for example). Pro-American is promoting ways to integrate everyone of every race, every ethnicity, and most importantly, every religion. That is what America is fundamentally built upon, and has made America so great for so many years.

My parents came to the US about 25 years ago from Pakistan to escape poverty. They were uneducated, poor, and didn't know a single English word. They worked their asses off every single day, often working 17-18 hour days, and became tremendously successful, to the point they gave a lot back to the homeless and poor communities. My parents are devoted Muslims. Now, sit back and think, based on your moral beliefs, what if they were never allowed to come to the US in the first place because they are Muslim, and brown, and speak languages other than English? One of their sons will be proudly serving in the Navy, and one of their daughters will be a doctor saving the lives of other Americans.

Make no mistake, no need to try and scramble to find ways to justify it: Donald Trump has, is, and will continue to promote hateful rhetoric which isolates certain classes of individuals, like Muslims, and blacks living in poor communities, and LGBT, and environmental activists, and many others. Donald Trump is not "pro-American," he is "anti-American." That is why your beloved Donald Trump is a clown.

Finally, some of you Christian and Trump-worshippers ought to give the Bible a good read. Unlike my parents, I am of Catholic faith. If you think Trump's moral philosophies and Christian moral philosophies can coexist...I have news for you.
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