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      01-14-2020, 11:35 AM   #1
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First of all, I'd like to thank every single one of you for making this forum great. I have been reading for about a month here and you guys pretty much made me sell my 2018 430i Gran Coupe to get the awesome M340i!

But i am curious about something. Take note that my car is already oredered and paid for, so this is a simple curiosity.

I have seen a great number of reports that say a stock M340i will get to 60 in 3.7-3.8 s. All of those reports are US-based. Now we all know that given the emissions restrictions, the EU model has 374 hp where the US model has 382 hp. Also (as expected), the US model sounds better (due to the lack of extra restrictor). Given these facts, i am curious what 0-60 times the EU model manages. Maybe someone can shed some light.

Now please do not get me wrong: even with the advertised 4.4, it will be a rocket compared to my old GC's 5.9, but would love for it to get comparable 0-60 times to what the US market enjoys. Everyone loves getting a lil' bit more than what they hoped, so i'm hoping we Europeans will also get some.

So if you have driven or own the EU model and have timed it, do jump in and you could make a brother happy.

Cheers guys!
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Regardless, you have access to the autobahn and can go over 85mph, whereas in US, itís criminal offense.
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Regardless, you have access to the autobahn and can go over 85mph, whereas in US, it’s criminal offense.
Well i was just curious to see if you get there faster than we can

Really now! Between 4.4 and 3.7 there really is a huge difference, so i'd like to know if it applies to both markets.
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there you go... folowing link shows the european version with draggy times
0-100 kmh in 4.3 sec (boost could have been better on launch)
100-200 kmh in secound attempt 10.7 sec



and the following two reviews are also based on a european model, presantation is in english



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there you go... folowing link shows the european version with draggy times
0-100 kmh in 4.3 sec
100-200 kmh in secound attempt 10.7 sec



and the following two reviews are also based on a european model, presantation is in english


Damn! So a 0,7 sec variation between the two markets. As if paying $95.000 (82.000€) for it in EU wasn't enough...

Could this huuge gap be just from the emissions thingy installed on the exhaust or could it be a combination of different maps and it?

Asking because i might think about changing the exhaust (that does not void the warranty) to get 3.7 times but would aurely not temper with the ecu.

Thanks a bunch for the reviews bud, highly appreciated!
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Damn! So a 0,7 sec variation between the two markets. As if paying $95.000 (82.000Ä) for it in EU wasn't enough...

Could this huuge gap be just from the emissions thingy installed on the exhaust or could it be a combination of different maps and it?

Asking because i might think about changing the exhaust (that does not void the warranty) to get 3.7 times but would aurely not temper with the ecu.

Thanks a bunch for the reviews bud, highly appreciated!
your welcome dude... but i dont believe that a stock us spec m340i can do 3.7 or 3.8 0 to 60. the car is faster than declared but not that much. i am pretty sure those times are made with a tune. i know 2 or 3 videos with such times, all of them had at least a stage one software tune. the difference between us and eu spec is 0.2 sec. in the middle. maybe a 0.3 or 0.4 from 100-200kmh. not that neccecary. many pals install a downpipe and that makes some good gains without petrol particle filter in combination with the non restricted exhaust. but even that cant make 0.7 sec 😉
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Damn! So a 0,7 sec variation between the two markets. As if paying $95.000 (82.000€) for it in EU wasn't enough...

Could this huuge gap be just from the emissions thingy installed on the exhaust or could it be a combination of different maps and it?

Asking because i might think about changing the exhaust (that does not void the warranty) to get 3.7 times but would aurely not temper with the ecu.

Thanks a bunch for the reviews bud, highly appreciated!
your welcome dude... but i dont believe that a stock us spec m340i can do 3.7 or 3.8 0 to 60. the car is faster than declared but not that much. i am pretty sure those times are made with a tune. i know 2 or 3 videos with such times, all of them had at least a stage one software tune. the difference between us and eu spec is 0.2 sec. in the middle. maybe a 0.3 or 0.4 from 100-200kmh. not that neccecary. many pals install a downpipe and that makes some good gains without petrol particle filter in combination with the non restricted exhaust. but even that cant make 0.7 sec
Well than it looks like i'm about to start reading about what to install when this baby finally arrives.
Downpipe & unrestricted exhaust it is.

On a side note: literally cannot wait for it to arrive. :P
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From wikipedia but...

Most car magazines and manufacturers in the United States use a rolling start allowance term "1-foot rollout", which means that the timer is only started once the car has traveled 11.5 inches (30 cm), reducing the measured time by up to 0.3 second.

UK magazines are always from dead stop.
I really doubt an EU m340i Vs a US of A version would be any different in the real world performance wise. Sound wise you lot win!
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Well than it looks like i'm about to start reading about what to install when this baby finally arrives.
Downpipe & unrestricted exhaust it is.

On a side note: literally cannot wait for it to arrive. :P
be carefull if you get a eu spec with OPF. as you know, bmw built 2 of them into the m340i.
if you change the flow before opf, you can get in trouble with the system. after opf you can do anything, theres no problem. if you like it radical... you can delete opf, install the m performance and make stage 2 tune with downpipe. than you get times 0-60 under 3.6 sec.

but your waranty is done for sure.
these damn eu restrictions are really bad
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Car and driver got 3.8 0-60 (w/ 1 ft roll out) so even if you assume .3 added that would equal 4.1 secs. And that was for RWD US model. The AWD will def be easy to get high 3's w out trying hard. Bmw claims 4.1 on website but that is very conservative as we all know how they are with their times
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From wikipedia but...

Most car magazines and manufacturers in the United States use a rolling start allowance term "1-foot rollout", which means that the timer is only started once the car has traveled 11.5 inches (30 cm), reducing the measured time by up to 0.3 second.

UK magazines are always from dead stop.
I really doubt an EU m340i Vs a US of A version would be any different in the real world performance wise. Sound wise you lot win!
I had absolutely no idea about that. I heard the term rolling start before tbh, but never bothered to check what it actually is
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be carefull if you get a eu spec with OPF. as you know, bmw built 2 of them into the m340i.
if you change the flow before opf, you can get in trouble with the system. after opf you can do anything, theres no problem. if you like it radical... you can delete opf, install the m performance and make stage 2 tune with downpipe. than you get times 0-60 under 3.6 sec.

but your waranty is done for sure.
these damn eu restrictions are really bad
Thank you brother! Will be sure to check on that so i'll have all my homework done before the car arrives. Couldn'd aggree with you more, these damn restrictions...!
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Car and driver got 3.8 0-60 (w/ 1 ft roll out) so even if you assume .3 added that would equal 4.1 secs. And that was for RWD US model. The AWD will def be easy to get high 3's w out trying hard. Bmw claims 4.1 on website but that is very conservative as we all know how they are with their times

The EU xDrive model is actually sold as having 4.4sec

From what i have seen, there is a possibility that in ideal conditions, with warm tyres, pleasant weather outside but not too hot, on a sticky surface, the car could get a 4.2 secs. Will test it out once it arrives and get back with the findings.
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Car and driver got 3.8 0-60 (w/ 1 ft roll out) so even if you assume .3 added that would equal 4.1 secs. And that was for RWD US model. The AWD will def be easy to get high 3's w out trying hard. Bmw claims 4.1 on website but that is very conservative as we all know how they are with their times

The EU xDrive model is actually sold as having 4.4sec

From what i have seen, there is a possibility that in ideal conditions, with warm tyres, pleasant weather outside but not too hot, on a sticky surface, the car could get a 4.2 secs. Will test it out once it arrives and get back with the findings.
Wonder why EU models are rated so much different in 0-60 times when there's only an 8 HP difference?
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Wonder why EU models are rated so much different in 0-60 times when there's only an 8 HP difference?
may be it is not only about the hp. best way to find out would be
a comparison of the stock dyno graphs. possibly the tune is different due emission regulation.
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Wonder why EU models are rated so much different in 0-60 times when there's only an 8 HP difference?
My thoughts exactly

It's a bummer we can't get the same amount of out of the box performance especially taking into account we have to pay roughly 30% more
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My thoughts exactly

It's a bummer we can't get the same amount of out of the box performance especially taking into account we have to pay roughly 30% more
To be fair Europe has traditionally got the better end of the deal on almost every performance BMW in history. Our E36 M3 was neutered to hell.

Also, most of that price difference is taxes.
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Wonder why EU models are rated so much different in 0-60 times when there's only an 8 HP difference?
Also, remember that if you are comparing 0-60mph to 0-100kph (62mph). It may seem like a meaningless difference, but when you are counting tenths it matters. It probably takes just over 1 second to get from 60-70mph, so the 2mph from 60-62 should add approximately 0.2sec to the 0-60 time.

So you can estimate that the 4.3sec 0-100kph in the video below, would translate to roughly a 4.1sec 0-60mph. Then, if the Draggy is not subtracting the 1ft rollout (not sure), to compare to the Car & Driver data, you would need to adjust for the 0.3sec rollout, which gets you further down to 3.8. Maybe with a better launch you could get another tenth or two better.

I assume the manufacturers 0-60 times are not adjusting for rollout like the magazines do, so probably subtract about 0.3 seconds from their published times to get to "magazine equivalent". It seems that even with that adjustment, the BMW figures may still be a little conservative based on the C&D test.
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Wonder why EU models are rated so much different in 0-60 times when there's only an 8 HP difference?
Don't forget to factor in many of the EU times are 0 - 100km/h, not 0 - 60mph. That extra couple of mph (to 62.14mph) will give a slower figure.
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My thoughts exactly

It's a bummer we can't get the same amount of out of the box performance especially taking into account we have to pay roughly 30% more
you dont need to interpret that much into the numbers dude.
tha car is almost identical. the only noticeable difference is the exhaust sound.

maybe you dont know... bmw put two small opf instead of one big. sounds bad at first.
... but if you do research, you will find out that 2 small opf are better than one big. smaller getting faster warm und starts quicker to lower emission. further, that way the opf eats less power.
thats why bmw managed 2 small. power difference is not noticeable on public roads or even on the track. really negligible.

just enjoy your new car. you wont miss power... if you like it louder, install a tuning exhaust and all is good
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you dont need to interpret that much into the numbers dude.
tha car is almost identical. the only noticeable difference is the exhaust sound.

maybe you dont know... bmw put two small opf instead of one big. sounds bad at first.
... but if you do research, you will find out that 2 small opf are better than one big. smaller getting faster warm und starts quicker to lower emission. further, that way the opf eats less power.
thats why bmw managed 2 small. power difference is not noticeable on public roads or even on the track. really negligible.

just enjoy your new car. you wont miss power... if you like it louder, install a tuning exhaust and all is good
Will sure do buddy and thanks for your interventions. You are absolutely right, on the road i will not miss any power.

In all honesty, the 3 things that made me think about this were:

1. C&D review.

2. Zero to Sixty times (pic attached)

3. This guy's timings (he counts from dead-stop):




All of them give 3.8 times so that is why i was amazed to see EU models pulling 4.3s
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Will sure do buddy and thanks for your interventions. You are absolutely right, on the road i will not miss any power.

In all honesty, the 3 things that made me think about this were:

1. C&D review.

2. Zero to Sixty times (pic attached)

3. This guy's timings (he counts from dead-stop):




All of them give 3.8 times so that is why i was amazed to see EU models pulling 4.3s
yes i know that video... but do not take that results too serious.
he is making a lot of mistakes measuring.
the times are not corrected, measured with mobile built in gps, the street is also not plan. downhill uphill... :-)
the draggy time i posted above is technically good. it is made with one of the most common systems. very straight and comparable. standing realistic times are between 4.1 and 4.3 on stock eu spec m340i
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