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      12-06-2017, 02:11 PM   #1
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Mr Trump announces America will recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel & orders the US Embassy to relocate to Jerusalem.
This has apparently alarmed the allies of the US & angered its enemy's across the Middle East.
There is speculation that this move will destroy the Middle East peace process.

Personally I think fuck em, Jerusalem has been the historical & spiritual capital of Israel for over 3000 years & the decision to not formally recognise this by many countries is just so as to not upset the Arabs, although I rather suspect that this will unfortunately be the cause of yet many more deaths.
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I never knew what the big deal was since Muslims have pretty much no ties to Jerusalem. Meanwhile it has historically been the Mecca (no pun intended) of Judaism since biblical times.
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I'm not an adherent to any Abrahamic faith, so I can't say I support or oppose this announcement, but surely this decision will have serious repercussions across the world given the religious and historical significance of Jerusalem.

Historic day for sure, but time will tell whether this was the right decision.
Call it the opening of Pandora's box or whatever.
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I never knew what the big deal was since Muslims have pretty much no ties to Jerusalem. Meanwhile it has historically been the Mecca (no pun intended) of Judaism since biblical times.
It is significant to Muslims since Temple Mount was the location where Muslims believe Muhammad ascended to heaven after his journey to Jerusalem.

Even to this day, that section of Jerusalem is under Muslim clerical administration (but politically administered by the State of Israel).
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I think we will have to wait to see the results over time. I did read a piece from an apologist Jewish group in Newsweek that stated it is basically the first step to the destruction of the world. They may have been slightly hyperbolic.
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It is significant to Muslims since Temple Mount was the location where Muslims believe Muhammad ascended to heaven after his journey to Jerusalem.

Even to this day, that section of Jerusalem is under Muslim clerical administration (but politically administered by the State of Israel).
Yep, it is considered to be the 3rd holiest location in all of Islam.

I must have missed the chapter in the Art of the Deal where getting yourself kicked out of the negotiations was outlined. Anyone know what pages cover that?
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Dershowitz thanks Trump and blasts Obama.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...sraels-capital

Schumer thanks. Weinstein moans.
Wadda ya do.
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Boo hoo, the ME will be butthurt about it. When are they not pissed off about something?
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Dershowitz thanks Trump and blasts Obama.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...sraels-capital

Schumer thanks. Weinstein moans.
Wadda ya do.
It's a great piece and AD does a great job of setting up the history of the area for the last 100 years and the details behind the insidious nature of Mr. Obama changing the status quo in the region. These details have me thinking this may be a good thing long-term but a bit painful in the short-term. I still need to research it a bit more.
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IF we put the US embassy in Jerusalem, and both Israelis and Palestinians share Jerusalem as their joint capital, we just saved a bunch of money on car insurance.
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^ MK, same here. A lot of sensitive areas on the matter.

The actions of Obama get a pass but when a 2+ decades old decision is finally signed, it's heresy. Because Trump did it.
He did say, a year ago, he would.

Obama disrespected Israel. Trump tries to mend. Wadda ya do.
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It's a great piece and AD does a great job of setting up the history of the area for the last 100 years and the details behind the insidious nature of Mr. Obama changing the status quo in the region. These details have me thinking this may be a good thing long-term but a bit painful in the short-term. I still need to research it a bit more.
You realize a large % of American Jews voted for (foreign jews support) Obama and view Netanyahu and his wife as corrupt.
Dershowitz represented Jeffrey Epstein a personal friend.
For years radical Jews financed by Sheldon Adelson have forced established Palestinians out if their historical homes In Jerusalem.

I don't support BDS or Roger Waters but Palestinians aren't some kind of squatters trying to take what they never had access to or possession of.
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It's a great piece and AD does a great job of setting up the history of the area for the last 100 years and the details behind the insidious nature of Mr. Obama changing the status quo in the region. These details have me thinking this may be a good thing long-term but a bit painful in the short-term. I still need to research it a bit more.
You realize a large % of American Jews voted for (foreign jews support) Obama and view Netanyahu and his wife as corrupt.
Dershowitz represented Jeffrey Epstein a personal friend.
For years radical Jews financed by Sheldon Adelson have forced established Palestinians out if their historical homes In Jerusalem.

I don't support BDS or Roger Waters but Palestinians aren't some kind of squatters trying to take what they never had access to or possession of.
Yes they are.
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I read somewhere that the Jewish Torah mentions Jerusalem 622 times, and the Koran doesn't mention it at all. And yet, the Muslim Dome of the Rock holy site is literally on top of the site of the Original Jewish temple. And now the Muslim World is up in arms over a Jerusalem embassy....
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You realize a large % of American Jews voted for (foreign jews support) Obama and view Netanyahu and his wife as corrupt.
Dershowitz represented Jeffrey Epstein a personal friend.
For years radical Jews financed by Sheldon Adelson have forced established Palestinians out if their historical homes In Jerusalem.

I don't support BDS or Roger Waters but Palestinians aren't some kind of squatters trying to take what they never had access to or possession of.
I do. I also worked with IDF and a few ex-Mossad personnel on an anti-terror project in grad school so I have a different view on this. I'm more concerned about what the citizens of Israel want.

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No matter what...They find always a silly stupid reason to create troubles anyway !
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I read somewhere that the Jewish Torah mentions Jerusalem 622 times, and the Koran doesn't mention it at all. And yet, the Muslim Dome of the Rock holy site is literally on top of the site of the Original Jewish temple. And now the Muslim World is up in arms over a Jerusalem embassy....
Do you realize there are Jews that advocate repossessing land owned by Palestinians because the Jewish Torah states the land was deeded to them by God 5000+ years ago.

And in the Israeli army troops are reporting and disgusted by the treatment of Palestinians trying to live their lives as farmers or seeking medical care due to Israeli occupation policies.

Since the assassination of Rabin a hard line policy toward Palestine. The problems in Gaza are Hamas and militancy related but the Israelis treatment of women and children just creates ill will, and this new capitol issue just creates more ill will, even if by name only.

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No matter what...They find always a silly stupid reason to create troubles anyway !
Yeah, they since we don't do it for them.
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I read somewhere that the Jewish Torah mentions Jerusalem 622 times, and the Koran doesn't mention it at all. And yet, the Muslim Dome of the Rock holy site is literally on top of the site of the Original Jewish temple. And now the Muslim World is up in arms over a Jerusalem embassy....
Incorrect. It actually does mention it in the Quran. And it is mentioned in our supplemental books numerous times all throughout.

It is fact that all the abrahamic faiths have connections to Jerusalem, not just Judaism.

The fact of the matter is that muslims and Jews always got along. In fact, if you were to google "golden age of Jews," you'd see that it was under Muslim rule. Maimonides, the great Jewish scholar, lived in a Muslim land and was able to accomplish all that he did. Muslims even had no problem incorporating his ideas into their own philosophies.

It was not until the formation of Israel that tensions grew between these 2 religions; when lands were stolen away (and continue to be), from poor, innocent Palestinians. Before the US approved the UN charter creating Israel, President Wilson sent in 2 individuals to the area of Palestine to study what the possible effects of the creation of Israel would be. The conclusion was that it was basically a horrible idea and everything the report said would happen, has happened. Obviously, the US ignored their findings.

Me personally, I think both Israel and Palestine should share the city as their capitals, West for Israel and East for Palestine.
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I read somewhere that the Jewish Torah mentions Jerusalem 622 times, and the Koran doesn't mention it at all. And yet, the Muslim Dome of the Rock holy site is literally on top of the site of the Original Jewish temple. And now the Muslim World is up in arms over a Jerusalem embassy....
Do you realize there are Jews that advocate repossessing land owned by Palestinians because the Jewish Torah Staes the land was deeded to them by God 5000+ years ago.

And in the Israeli army troops are reporting and disgusted by the treatment of Palestinians trying to live their lives as farmers or seeking medical care due to Israeli occupation policies.

Since the assassination of Rabin a hard line policy toward Palestine. The problems in Gaza are Hamas and militancy related but the Israelis treatment of women and children just creates ill will, and this new capitol issue just creates more ill will, even if by name only.
Ya the way those Israeli women and children suicide bomb the Palestinians on a regular basis is... wait... oh....

Do some research on who the "Palestinians " are - they are Arabs who were relocated after WW1, when the Arab world was afraid of Israel being re-established. They are not ancestral people who have been there for thousands of years.
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I read somewhere that the Jewish Torah mentions Jerusalem 622 times, and the Koran doesn't mention it at all. And yet, the Muslim Dome of the Rock holy site is literally on top of the site of the Original Jewish temple. And now the Muslim World is up in arms over a Jerusalem embassy....
Do you realize there are Jews that advocate repossessing land owned by Palestinians because the Jewish Torah Staes the land was deeded to them by God 5000+ years ago.

And in the Israeli army troops are reporting and disgusted by the treatment of Palestinians trying to live their lives as farmers or seeking medical care due to Israeli occupation policies.

Since the assassination of Rabin a hard line policy toward Palestine. The problems in Gaza are Hamas and militancy related but the Israelis treatment of women and children just creates ill will, and this new capitol issue just creates more ill will, even if by name only.
Ya the way those Israeli women and children suicide bomb the Palestinians on a regular basis is... wait... oh....

Do some research on who the "Palestinians " are - they are Arabs who were relocated after WW1, when the Arab world was afraid of Israel being re-established. They are not ancestral people who have been there for thousands of years.
If you're going to use that argument, we don't belong in the USA either seeing as how Native Americans lived here before us and Europeans came here to further extend their mother countries empire and prevent other European nations from creating their own colonies.

As for the suicide bombing issue, ask the families of the Palestinians how they feel when their innocent children are gunned down on the streets. Imagine how you'd feel.
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