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      06-19-2019, 04:31 PM   #45
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Usually if people can’t speak English they can’t read it either so they should be able to do both enough to pass and read signs.
It really is not necessary I've been in Paris and Dubai can't speak the language but drove perfectly fine
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Me too. They conveniently left out the part of exploding homelessness, shit all over the streets, insanely high taxes, and $200k a year salaries being unable to afford rent within 50 miles of the place. Not to mention being completely beholden to the brain damaged ideology of the left if you choose to live in one of these stink holes.
You have lumped a bunch of different things that are mostly unrelated to try to prove your point that you don't like liberal large cities.

The problems are actually not together. The homelessness is not due to job loss, the majority of homeless are either mentally ill people or those with drug addictions. This is directly related to the cut in mental health care funding in the USA. Mental health care occupies a paradoxical place in the history of social welfare in the United States, where aid is socially accepted only for the “deserving needy.” People with mental illnesses rarely fit this mold. Where do they go when no one will care for them? The streets. And the screaming crazy people and the shit on the streets? That's from the mentally ill people. This has very little to do with city policies. No one wants to spend money to take care of mentally ill people.

As for the actual homeless rate? It has decreased in San Francisco year over year. It's actually lower than it has ever been. The problem is the visibility of homelessness. Because of the high number of people moving into the city, the bad areas that locals used to avoid now have sky high rents and you have millionaires living next to slums. You'd have the same story if you dumped upper middle class suburban families in the middle of gang controlled suburban Compton - they'd think the neighborhood has gone to shit.
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As for the actual homeless rate? It has decreased in San Francisco year over year. It's actually lower than it has ever been.
No need to even bother with the rest of the crap you posted after seeing this gem. Stick with your fake news.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...t-13851897.php
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No need to even bother with the rest of the crap you posted after seeing this gem. Stick with your fake news.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...t-13851897.php
Well, looks like that's new. I guess my data may be outdated.

This was just in December - there was a decrease year over year. Same news source as yours as well.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...s-13472401.php
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So we're all in agreement then... take away the driver's licenses from the homeless, deport them to Central America, and as President Trump just announced in his Juneteenth annual address, finally fund reparations appropriately.
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So we're all in agreement then... take away the driver's licenses from the homeless, deport them to Central America, and as President Trump just announced in his Juneteenth annual address, finally fund reparations appropriately.
Yeah, homeless are not contributing to the economy in any way. I'm sure all the homeless vets will love losing their citizenship and being sent to Central America. Way to treat the people who have defended our country.
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It really is not necessary I've been in Paris and Dubai can't speak the language but drove perfectly fine
I am going off of how bad people drive that can speak and read English lol
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State ID, States Rights., end of story
UNTIL it's used as ID for federal voting.
Why would they vote in Federal elections? You don't think the State of NY can keep track of that?
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You have lumped a bunch of different things that are mostly unrelated to try to prove your point that you don't like liberal large cities.

The problems are actually not together. The homelessness is not due to job loss, the majority of homeless are either mentally ill people or those with drug addictions. This is directly related to the cut in mental health care funding in the USA. Mental health care occupies a paradoxical place in the history of social welfare in the United States, where aid is socially accepted only for the “deserving needy.” People with mental illnesses rarely fit this mold. Where do they go when no one will care for them? The streets. And the screaming crazy people and the shit on the streets? That's from the mentally ill people. This has very little to do with city policies. No one wants to spend money to take care of mentally ill people.
I agree with you.

This is a sad and unfortunate reality. This problem was created by the democrats back in the 1970's, who felt that too many people with mental health issues were being locked up in psychiatric hospitals and that it was inhumane (they had their hearts in the right place, just went about it wrong).

As such, they released a large portion of them, thinking they were helping. In turn, most just ended up homeless as they couldn't hold down jobs, etc.

Then the governments (mostly republicans, but many democrats as well) saw all this extra money in the budgets that was no longer being spent on mental health care and either cut budgets or increased spending. Now, in order to go back and start caring for those with mental illnesses, the city and state governments will either have to cut spending on other programs or increase taxes - neither of which they have the political will to do.

This is yet another example of government in general thinking it could attempt to solve a problem and just making it worse.

I really wish we would attempt to get those with mental illnesses the help they need. Most won't take the meds on their own, even if you give them to them, and it is pretty cruel to come and lock them up just because they have mental health issues. There really isn't a 'perfect' solution. It's sad.


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Why would they vote in Federal elections? You don't think the State of NY can keep track of that?
I'm assuming this is a sarcastic post. Please say yes.

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Yeah, homeless are not contributing to the economy in any way. I'm sure all the homeless vets will love losing their citizenship and being sent to Central America. Way to treat the people who have defended our country.
I would gladly agree to divert every single cent spent on illegal aliens towards homeless veterans.
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I would gladly agree to divert every single cent spent on illegal aliens towards homeless veterans.
MK, you got those container homes ready for purchase yet?
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State ID, States Rights., end of story
I am with you until the "end of story" part because this policy provides a dangerous loophole. These applicants in the country illegally can't provide the background documentation that is required by citizens seeking a DL in the state. THIS is my main objection to the policy. It really doesn't make sense that citizens and lawful residents have to confirm their identity, but those whom entered the country illegally do not have to. Completely nuts.
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If voter ID laws are passed, which they should be, this will allow illegals to vote in our elections.

Way to go NY. Fucking idiots.

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It really doesn't make sense that citizens and lawful residents have to confirm their identity, but those whom entered the country illegally do not have to. Completely nuts.
It is fucked. How anyone thought this is a good idea is beyond me.
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It really is not necessary I've been in Paris and Dubai can't speak the language but drove perfectly fine
I’m not to far from you in LI and so many times a year truckers find themselves on Parkways and shear off the top of their trailers on the overpass roads and get stuck causing horrific traffic jams. The vast majority of these offenders are foreigners with little to no knowledge of the language. It happens every single day sometimes more often somewhere in the metro area. There are hundreds of other offenses every day by non English speakers and far to often with injuries and fatalities.
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I agree with you.

This is a sad and unfortunate reality. This problem was created by the democrats back in the 1970's, who felt that too many people with mental health issues were being locked up in psychiatric hospitals and that it was inhumane (they had their hearts in the right place, just went about it wrong).

As such, they released a large portion of them, thinking they were helping. In turn, most just ended up homeless as they couldn't hold down jobs, etc.

Then the governments (mostly republicans, but many democrats as well) saw all this extra money in the budgets that was no longer being spent on mental health care and either cut budgets or increased spending. Now, in order to go back and start caring for those with mental illnesses, the city and state governments will either have to cut spending on other programs or increase taxes - neither of which they have the political will to do.

This is yet another example of government in general thinking it could attempt to solve a problem and just making it worse.

I really wish we would attempt to get those with mental illnesses the help they need. Most won't take the meds on their own, even if you give them to them, and it is pretty cruel to come and lock them up just because they have mental health issues. There really isn't a 'perfect' solution. It's sad.
It is a sad state of affairs that mental health care has fallen into. Those that are violent end up rotating in and out of the prison system, non violent people with mental issues are often released onto the streets due to lack of funding.

There's some initiatives to increase funding for mental care in California but it's no where as much as is needed. Every mental case is different as well so there's no "one size fits all" solution.
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There's some initiatives to increase funding for mental care in California
Yea the Dems in power need it for sure. Look at the Shithole SanFran has become.
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It really is not necessary I've been in Paris and Dubai can't speak the language but drove perfectly fine
I’m not to far from you in LI and so many times a year truckers find themselves on Parkways and shear off the top of their trailers on the overpass roads and get stuck causing horrific traffic jams. The vast majority of these offenders are foreigners with little to no knowledge of the language. It happens every single day sometimes more often somewhere in the metro area. There are hundreds of other offenses every day by non English speakers and far to often with injuries and fatalities.
Yup. I'm on LI also and see it regularly on the parkways. I'm stuck here because of work and family otherwise I would be out of this shithole.
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Same here. Were gone in a few short years and can’t wait to get away from the likes of cuomo and his kind, they ruined the state.
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Same here. Were gone in a few short years
Cali, or the DR?
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DR for sure. They’re going to be giving land away soon enough to get people there. We’ll live like a King and Queen. I just need to lay off the booze and get on the wagon which is ok, the wife says I drink too much anyway.
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