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      07-06-2019, 06:23 PM   #23
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I agree with the OP. I can't see how anyone would claim the F30 has better steering than the G20. The F30 has become notorious for poor steering. It was so bad I avoided the F30 altogether. Instead I replaced my E90 with an Alfa Romeo Giulia which has fantastic steering (well about as fantastic as electronic steering can get without a porsche badge on the front).

When I got my Alfa I figured I check and see how the G20 turned out and decide whether BMW was truly dead to me or not. I drove the G20 a couple of months ago and was very pleasantly surprised by the driving dynamics and the steering. Both are much improved over the F30.

So much so that I will be coming back to BMW in a week or two.
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      07-06-2019, 06:44 PM   #24
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Appreciate the review. But there are several small things that I can't get over...

1. Lack of a manual
2. Start/stop in center console
3. Electronic parking brake
4. Completely digital cluster
5. Door open/close on doors instead of center console

These "evolutionary" steps make me look at the car and it just doesn't remind me of the BMW's I grew up with. It's like an entirely different brand now.
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      07-06-2019, 07:52 PM   #25
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Appreciate the review. But there are several small things that I can't get over...

1. Lack of a manual
2. Start/stop in center console
3. Electronic parking brake
4. Completely digital cluster
5. Door open/close on doors instead of center console

These "evolutionary" steps make me look at the car and it just doesn't remind me of the BMW's I grew up with. It's like an entirely different brand now.
I like the start stop in the center console. I can easily disable as soon as I start the car. In my Alfa the start button in on the wheel (super cool and convenient) but the ASS button tucked off the left side.
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      07-07-2019, 01:54 AM   #26
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Drove the F30 yesterday, had almost forgotten how shitty och totally lifeless the steering is. The chassi feels wollowy.
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      07-09-2019, 10:07 AM   #27
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I just test drove 330i msport and was very dissapointed comparing to my 328i f30. I felt the new one too smooth/soft including steering which was too numb. I thought i was driving a mb c series!! I really missed that sportivity I have w 328i that feel more aggressive and always being throwed back giving also more safety and fun while reving! Is there anything wrong?

Will the m340i have the same behaviour? Should I move to m3?

Look forward to ur comments which direction should I go!!!
Well, I have driven the 330i M Sport (I am also Brazilian) and I thought it was a vast improvement over the F30. I never owned a F30, but I had an Audi S3, and I have owned/own some BMW M's. I have also driven quite extensively the F30 328i M Sport.

What setting did you drive it into? Comfort is really "lame" in terms of steering feel and weight, but Sport Plus was pretty good, a lot more feedback and directness when compared to the F30. The car is awesome, full of tech features too.

I will conceed that the W205 C Class drives pretty similarly, but since the W204 chassis, MB has improved quite substantially in terms of dynamics, just their engines are unimpressive (except AMG's and now the new C300)
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      07-09-2019, 02:31 PM   #28
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Great to read those user reviews of true BMW owners.

I own a F30 330e Luxury Line and test drove a 320i M Sport today. I was mainly interested in the assistant features to determine whether they increase my safety while....paying attention to scenery and other distractions.

I learned that the combination of assistant features keeps you very good in your lane, brakes on time and smoothly, and accelerates to the speed limit again when possible. At times it sort of 'searches for the middle of the lane' as if a junior driver is behind the wheel. When it encounters a situation it can't handle, the LEDs on the wheel flash yellow and something similar happens on the assist indicator in the dash and HUD.
I was surprised to learn that it does not predict such a situation, it simply encounters it. This becomes dangerous when you trust the system and come across a turn that is to sharp for the system, which happened a few times on connections between freeways. The LEDs start flashing once it runs of the road. Much too late if your were not paying much attention. Of course, the system is not intended to take over the entire driving, just to assist, but still, why can't it predict what will happen based on the map etc? I did not expect that from a premium brand.

I really love the new seats and seating position. The seat is more comfortable and also keeping you very well in it. The position appears to be lower (or the dash and doors are higher). It feels great to be in your cockpit.
The Live Cockpit looks great. Aside from the speed and fuel gage, the rest is just a bonus. Who needs a rev counter with an automatic?
I thought the simplified map would disappoint, but in fact it is sublime. Everything you really need to know is there, very functional.
The HUD is also very bright and in the perfect position. But completely invisible when using polarized shades. Not a bug, just a combination that can't work.

The A/C seems quieter. And so is the entire ride. Again a big improved aiding to luxury feel and a relaxing drive.

The handling is fantastic. I am not sure that the sports suspension has more grip than the non-sport of the 330e, but it definitely has less body roll, turns in sharper and feels very controllable.

The new iDrive is a bit complex with all the pages. But thanks to the lane assist and ACC, you have plenty of time to figure it out. In the end none of the menu's provide any value while driving, except for the map. I tend to use voice control and it seems the best option in this version too. Don't try natural speech, it is still not intelligent enough for that.

The sound of the doors and trunk closing has improved. Even more solid.

The Control Panel has a silver colored striping just in front of it. It is perfectly angled to direct the sunlight into your face. Annoying design issue.

Start/stop is much smoother, and so it the overall everything about the ride.

One of the best things is the new software for the gearbox. In sport mode, it shifts down when you lift of the break, so you enter a corner with sufficient revs to pull out of it. The 330e doesn't do that and i hate it. With the new software, there is hardly any need for manual shifting.

Overall this is a fantastic car. A lot of improvements over the outgoing version.
Am i going to trade it in? Well, a new 330e would cost me more given the changes in taxes (and the raised purchase price). So it's tax versus Assistance and more electrical range (and that nice cockpit, seating position, sound level and sports suspension).

I am going to test drive the Tesla Model 3 too. I expect the driving fun to be equal, and the looks and luxury-feel-level to be less appealing.

I keep dreaming about the i4 for now.
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Originally Posted by capri330e View Post
Great to read those user reviews of true BMW owners.

I own a F30 330e Luxury Line and test drove a 320i M Sport today. I was mainly interested in the assistant features to determine whether they increase my safety while....paying attention to scenery and other distractions.

I learned that the combination of assistant features keeps you very good in your lane, brakes on time and smoothly, and accelerates to the speed limit again when possible. At times it sort of 'searches for the middle of the lane' as if a junior driver is behind the wheel. When it encounters a situation it can't handle, the LEDs on the wheel flash yellow and something similar happens on the assist indicator in the dash and HUD.
I was surprised to learn that it does not predict such a situation, it simply encounters it. This becomes dangerous when you trust the system and come across a turn that is to sharp for the system, which happened a few times on connections between freeways. The LEDs start flashing once it runs of the road. Much too late if your were not paying much attention. Of course, the system is not intended to take over the entire driving, just to assist, but still, why can't it predict what will happen based on the map etc? I did not expect that from a premium brand.

I really love the new seats and seating position. The seat is more comfortable and also keeping you very well in it. The position appears to be lower (or the dash and doors are higher). It feels great to be in your cockpit.
The Live Cockpit looks great. Aside from the speed and fuel gage, the rest is just a bonus. Who needs a rev counter with an automatic?
I thought the simplified map would disappoint, but in fact it is sublime. Everything you really need to know is there, very functional.
The HUD is also very bright and in the perfect position. But completely invisible when using polarized shades. Not a bug, just a combination that can't work.

The A/C seems quieter. And so is the entire ride. Again a big improved aiding to luxury feel and a relaxing drive.

The handling is fantastic. I am not sure that the sports suspension has more grip than the non-sport of the 330e, but it definitely has less body roll, turns in sharper and feels very controllable.

The new iDrive is a bit complex with all the pages. But thanks to the lane assist and ACC, you have plenty of time to figure it out. In the end none of the menu's provide any value while driving, except for the map. I tend to use voice control and it seems the best option in this version too. Don't try natural speech, it is still not intelligent enough for that.

The sound of the doors and trunk closing has improved. Even more solid.

The Control Panel has a silver colored striping just in front of it. It is perfectly angled to direct the sunlight into your face. Annoying design issue.

Start/stop is much smoother, and so it the overall everything about the ride.

One of the best things is the new software for the gearbox. In sport mode, it shifts down when you lift of the break, so you enter a corner with sufficient revs to pull out of it. The 330e doesn't do that and i hate it. With the new software, there is hardly any need for manual shifting.

Overall this is a fantastic car. A lot of improvements over the outgoing version.
Am i going to trade it in? Well, a new 330e would cost me more given the changes in taxes (and the raised purchase price). So it's tax versus Assistance and more electrical range (and that nice cockpit, seating position, sound level and sports suspension).

I am going to test drive the Tesla Model 3 too. I expect the driving fun to be equal, and the looks and luxury-feel-level to be less appealing.

I keep dreaming about the i4 for now.
So how did you found Model 3 compared to G20 as a whole package?
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      07-23-2019, 12:28 PM   #29
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Steering too numb? Its way better than crappy F30 Steering. I think you need more time to adapt, its more versitile. In comfort its smoother than F30 but its still much more enjoyable on a backroad IMO.
I agree with you that this G20 hits everything well when it comes to driving, iDrive and what you can do with it also big +
Very fast and transmission doing a great job especially on sport mode, car acts like inline 6. They did a great job with this engine

Also, loving the style






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