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      07-31-2019, 05:47 PM   #133
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These changes should have been done a while ago.

Everyone said there were too many models. Streamline and focus is what they need.
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      07-31-2019, 06:18 PM   #134
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Audi A/S3 sales are on the decline.

But all sedans are on a decline with an exception of the Tesla Model 3.
Actually pretty strong sales given how old it is. It's overdue for new model. Still wish they'd offer the hatch, at least for the RS3.
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      07-31-2019, 06:28 PM   #135
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Audi A/S3 sales are on the decline.

But all sedans are on a decline with an exception of the Tesla Model 3.
The A3 is very late in the model cycle and is about to be replaced. Things *should* change once it does.
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      07-31-2019, 06:43 PM   #136
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This is what happens when you have too many damn models in your lineup.
And also haven't concentrated on what your brand stands for. My buddy just bought a new car was hoping for his first Bmw, Hates steering and driving experience! Big surprise went Mercedes.
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And also haven't concentrated on what your brand stands for.
I disagree. The M2/M2C are the best M cars since the e46 imho.

The auto market is in complete flux because of electrics and the fact that everyone wants to drive a crossover or SUV.

Time will tell.
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I disagree. The M2/M2C are the best M cars since the e46 imho.

The auto market is complete flux because of electrics and the fact that everyone wants to drive a crossover or SUV.

Time will tell.
I don't think anyone is arguing that the M2/M2C aren't ultimate driving machines, we’re simply saying everything but the M2/M2C don't feel like true BMW's.
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The A3 is very late in the model cycle and is about to be replaced. Things *should* change once it does.
That makes sense but they aren't really selling very many in the first place.

A majority of customers aren't aware of when new models are arriving.

And that said, when you need a car, all that goes out the window.
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Actually pretty strong sales given how old it is. It's overdue for new model. Still wish they'd offer the hatch, at least for the RS3.
Not going to happen in North America.

Your best bet will be the RS Q3.
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So they can compete with VW/Audi and canabilize MINI(Which is in bigger trouble)? How many A3's does Audi sell in the US?
Well, BMW is now coming late to the party with the 2GC, so clearly they see an opportunity. We’ll see if the "if you can't beat ‘em, join ‘em!" FWD 2 Series Gran Coupe survives more than a single generation. Personally, I think it would have been far wiser to have a RWD 2er Sedan with an M2 Sedan as well. At least BMW would have something that differentiates their product from the others.

I've attached a photo of the second quarter 2018 stats that show the ass kickage of the sedan models that were up against the 2er coupe only.

Every single series model BMW SELLS does better as a sedan than a coupe if offered in both variants.

3 > 4
5 > 6
7 > 8

X3 > X4
X5 > X6
X7 will sell more than an X8

And a 2er Sedan would have sold more than the coupe only.
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Perfect. X8///M is exactly what I need to replace my lightweight manual sports sedan. <insert requisite "Guess I'm going to Porsche">
lol @ "lightweight" BMW. the M2 is 3600lbs and they only get heavier from there
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Audi A/S3 sales are on the decline.

But all sedans are on a decline with an exception of the Tesla Model 3.
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are you sure?

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...edes-benz-cla/
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"In addition to the three-door 1 Series, 2 Series Gran Tourer, and 3 Series GT, tombstones are being chiseled for the 2 Series convertible, standard-wheelbase 7 Series, Z4 replacement (sorry, Toyota), and both two-door 8 Series variants."

Did I get it right? They are dropping the 8 series coupe/convertible that just went out?

What would be the next bigger sport coupe then? 6 series successor?
There won't be one. There doesn't seem to be a market for it.
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lol @ "lightweight" BMW. the M2 is 3600lbs and they only get heavier from there
Jesus, is that for real? Colin Chapman must be rolling in his grave.
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Jesus, is that for real? Colin Chapman must be rolling in his grave.


Yes it is... and that's not including the DCT ... which I believe the M2 COMP is listed at 3650 lbs..
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Yes it is... and that's not including the DCT ... which I believe the M2 COMP is listed at 3650 lbs..
Man...

Which then begs the question...Competition for what? At the buffet line?
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Perfect. X8///M is exactly what I need to replace my lightweight manual sports sedan. <insert requisite "Guess I'm going to Porsche">
lol @ "lightweight" BMW. the M2 is 3600lbs and they only get heavier from there
F80 M3 (MT) weighs the same as the M2 but yea lightweight is relative. At least it's not a 4600 lb X3M
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lol @ "lightweight" BMW. the M2 is 3600lbs and they only get heavier from there
Jesus, is that for real? Colin Chapman must be rolling in his grave.
Yes but people expect and demand 5 star crash ratings. Soo, take your pick!
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Author is too opinionated and with an agenda at hand. Sounds like political rants not objective journalism.
Maybe, but after all, it's auto journalism, which has no shortage of opinions that are often presented as facts.

That said, I've been a stout BMW fan since 1998, when I ordered my first BMW (a 528i MT). And I haven't strayed, although I've been tempted. But even I, a huge fan, look at some of these new "design" elements and wonder what is going on. I realize BMW has to make a profit and I also realize the Chinese market is a growing one and that base may have different tastes; but really, I look at some of the new overwrought front fascias and wonder WTF.

As for Bangle, his BMW designs are actually getting more respect now than when the cars were released. His designs were certainly polarizing, but at least they were not boring and adhered to an underlying design principle. And some of his most contested styling elements (e.g. the E65 7 series trunk) influenced other car manufacturers. He also designed the E39 (often thought of as pre-Bangle) and the timeless Z4/Z4M coupe (I"m biased of course).
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Compared to Crossovers yes they are on their way out.

Clearly Mercedes has quite a hit on their hands.

I'd still prefer the GLA45 over the CLA45.

And BMW passes on the segment.

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Compared to Crossovers yes they are on their way out.

Clearly Mercedes has quite a hit on their hands.

I'd still prefer the GLA45 over the CLA45.

And BMW passes on the segment.

The CLA is just clobbered with the ugly tree. I'd have an A45, you know, if I could.

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Looking forward to the electric X3 but that range is TERRIBLE!

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X8 new niché market?
Probably to compete against the Q8?
Q8=X6 I think
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The CLA is just clobbered with the ugly tree. I'd have an A45, you know, if I could.

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Absolutely.

Unfortunately none of the really good Hot-Hatches come to North America.
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