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      08-16-2019, 01:58 AM   #111
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Lets be real , you will get the c43 in the end. No question.
It seemed like he's already passed on it. Right now it looks to be between the m340i (after his first round of test drives), and the f80/82 or Giulia quadrifoglio (both contingent on test drives).
I went from 335iS to C43 to M4 so I totally understand him going to F8X over those 3. It's night and day but the C43 between the M340 and Alfa is a no brainer especially if you love spirited driving.
If you want a soulless car that just goes fast then M340 will be your choice. I just find it amazing that this C class platform completely wrecked the F30 and still giving the new G20 a run for its money.
It's like Mercedes and bmw switched places from who they were a decade ago. Can you imagine someone 10-15 years ago saying that they chose a bmw 3 series over a MB c-class due to better comfort as a daily driver?
100% agree. I would go for the C43, but I already have one Merc and I kind of want to switch it up, and still retain a manual (before it dies completely), so I'm thinking an M2/M4 may be the sweet spot. But yess, Mercs in their base trim, 300, retain their old stereotype, comfortable and quiet, but the AMG 43, and especially 53 trims are great vehicles. Mercedes has been learning some tricks from BMW. And the 53 engines, is one of the smartest/best engines I've tested.

Its funny cause I follow the very controversial Jason Cammisa on instagram (loves old BMWs, hates the new ones) and he does mini reviews there. His verdict for the CLS and E53 was "When did Mercedes learn to shit all over BMW?"
The cls53 is the one with the hybrid technology right? I actually find that car genuinely interesting. If im thinking of the right model it's an electric + 6 cylinder ICE hybrid designed for optimum performance and powerband.
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Lets be real , you will get the c43 in the end. No question.
It seemed like he's already passed on it. Right now it looks to be between the m340i (after his first round of test drives), and the f80/82 or Giulia quadrifoglio (both contingent on test drives).
I went from 335iS to C43 to M4 so I totally understand him going to F8X over those 3. It's night and day but the C43 between the M340 and Alfa is a no brainer especially if you love spirited driving.
If you want a soulless car that just goes fast then M340 will be your choice. I just find it amazing that this C class platform completely wrecked the F30 and still giving the new G20 a run for its money.
It's like Mercedes and bmw switched places from who they were a decade ago. Can you imagine someone 10-15 years ago saying that they chose a bmw 3 series over a MB c-class due to better comfort as a daily driver?
100% agree. I would go for the C43, but I already have one Merc and I kind of want to switch it up, and still retain a manual (before it dies completely), so I'm thinking an M2/M4 may be the sweet spot. But yess, Mercs in their base trim, 300, retain their old stereotype, comfortable and quiet, but the AMG 43, and especially 53 trims are great vehicles. Mercedes has been learning some tricks from BMW. And the 53 engines, is one of the smartest/best engines I've tested.

Its funny cause I follow the very controversial Jason Cammisa on instagram (loves old BMWs, hates the new ones) and he does mini reviews there. His verdict for the CLS and E53 was "When did Mercedes learn to shit all over BMW?"
The cls53 is the one with the hybrid technology right? I actually find that car genuinely interesting. If im thinking of the right model it's an electric + 6 cylinder ICE hybrid designed for optimum performance and powerband.
Yes, the 53 series AMG cars are fitted with the turbocharged 3L Inline 6, paired to an electric supercharger, and 48 volt mild hybrid system. It makes stop and go at stop lights seamless, and no longer a need to turn off auto stop start every time you start the car, and it fills in perfectly for turbo lag, so there's nice thrust of power mixed with the silky smoothness of an inline 6.

I don't think this engine will have good longevity though due to the numerous parts and electronics, but thats what leasing is for.

I would love to see them put this in a C class, there's a possibility the next full fledge AMG C Class will go from a V8 to an I6, but we'll see. I recommend you drive a CLS/E53, even without intention of buying, the engine is just that good and very interesting. I can't wait to see how BMW implements mild hybrids into their vehicles.
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Go drive the Alfa QV. You won't be disappointed. You can also pick one up (18 model)for $20k discount.

I've driven 11k miles on mine so far and it has been very reliable.
I would hope no modern day built car would start to fall apart before 10K miles. Check back when you hit 40K to see if it has held up by then.
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Lets be real , you will get the c43 in the end. No question.
It seemed like he's already passed on it. Right now it looks to be between the m340i (after his first round of test drives), and the f80/82 or Giulia quadrifoglio (both contingent on test drives).
I went from 335iS to C43 to M4 so I totally understand him going to F8X over those 3. It's night and day but the C43 between the M340 and Alfa is a no brainer especially if you love spirited driving.
If you want a soulless car that just goes fast then M340 will be your choice. I just find it amazing that this C class platform completely wrecked the F30 and still giving the new G20 a run for its money.
It's like Mercedes and bmw switched places from who they were a decade ago. Can you imagine someone 10-15 years ago saying that they chose a bmw 3 series over a MB c-class due to better comfort as a daily driver?
100% agree. I would go for the C43, but I already have one Merc and I kind of want to switch it up, and still retain a manual (before it dies completely), so I'm thinking an M2/M4 may be the sweet spot. But yess, Mercs in their base trim, 300, retain their old stereotype, comfortable and quiet, but the AMG 43, and especially 53 trims are great vehicles. Mercedes has been learning some tricks from BMW. And the 53 engines, is one of the smartest/best engines I've tested.

Its funny cause I follow the very controversial Jason Cammisa on instagram (loves old BMWs, hates the new ones) and he does mini reviews there. His verdict for the CLS and E53 was "When did Mercedes learn to shit all over BMW?"
The cls53 is the one with the hybrid technology right? I actually find that car genuinely interesting. If im thinking of the right model it's an electric + 6 cylinder ICE hybrid designed for optimum performance and powerband.
Yep like the 745e.
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Go drive the Alfa QV. You won't be disappointed. You can also pick one up (18 model)for $20k discount.

I've driven 11k miles on mine so far and it has been very reliable.
I would hope no modern day built car would start to fall apart before 10K miles. Check back when you hit 40K to see if it has held up by then.
The way some people talk about Alfas, they act like they're falling apart and breaking down as soon as you leave the dealership. Soooooo.....
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Did something change in the latest version of iDrive w.r.t. Carplay? I have a 2017 M240 (sorry I don't know what version of iDrive that is, maybe 5.0?) and I can use Google Maps and Waze when I'm connected to CarPlay both wired and wireless. So I found that an odd complaint in the iDrive review.
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Did something change in the latest version of iDrive w.r.t. Carplay? I have a 2017 M240 (sorry I don't know what version of iDrive that is, maybe 5.0?) and I can use Google Maps and Waze when I'm connected to CarPlay both wired and wireless. So I found that an odd complaint in the iDrive review.
iDrive 7.0 is the latest version (not in 2 series, only new G-series vehicles currently) and is very buggy. Some of the bugs include Apple Carplay. Search through the G05 X5 forum or find any newer BMW review on Youtube and you'll see what I'm talking about. Corded carplay would simply solve the issue.
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iDrive 7.0 is the latest version (not in 2 series, only new G-series vehicles currently) and is very buggy. Some of the bugs include Apple Carplay. Search through the G05 X5 forum or find any newer BMW review on Youtube and you'll see what I'm talking about. Corded carplay would simply solve the issue.
Ah interesting, yeah I looked it up and I have iDrive 5.0. Wireless carplay works flawlessly for me, the only complaint I have is that it's still only 2/3rds of the otherwise gorgeous wide screen.

Personally, "plug it in" would not be a viable solution for me. I make a lot of short trips in the car and having carplay start up while my phone remains in my pocket is a big plus.
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iDrive 7.0 is the latest version (not in 2 series, only new G-series vehicles currently) and is very buggy. Some of the bugs include Apple Carplay. Search through the G05 X5 forum or find any newer BMW review on Youtube and you'll see what I'm talking about. Corded carplay would simply solve the issue.
Ah interesting, yeah I looked it up and I have iDrive 5.0. Wireless carplay works flawlessly for me, the only complaint I have is that it's still only 2/3rds of the otherwise gorgeous wide screen.

Personally, "plug it in" would not be a viable solution for me. I make a lot of short trips in the car and having carplay start up while my phone remains in my pocket is a big plus.
Makes sense, just that plugging it in is more reliable for it to work (at least with iDrive 7). Audi's new MMI does it the best, allowing it to work wirelessly or corded.
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I went from an E92 335 to a Giulia TI. I'm in year 2 of my lease. I also went to the M Town event here last week and drove the M340i. A few things stood out in comparison.

1) The exhaust note/power is awesome.
2) The seats are extremely uncomfortable and small, almost 2-series size. No bolsters.
3) The materials are mediocre and overall interior design is bad.
4) The exterior is beautiful
5) The steering is not good

The Alfa's main advantages are comfort and steering. The steering is unbelievable, the sport seats are super nice, and it's an incredibly comfortable daily driver. The M340i is too close to an M3 and too far from a 330 and would probably be a rough daily driver.
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I went from an E92 335 to a Giulia TI. I'm in year 2 of my lease. I also went to the M Town event here last week and drove the M340i. A few things stood out in comparison.

1) The exhaust note/power is awesome.
2) The seats are extremely uncomfortable and small, almost 2-series size. No bolsters.
3) The materials are mediocre and overall interior design is bad.
4) The exterior is beautiful
5) The steering is not good

The Alfa's main advantages are comfort and steering. The steering is unbelievable, the sport seats are super nice, and it's an incredibly comfortable daily driver. The M340i is too close to an M3 and too far from a 330 and would probably be a rough daily driver.
I'm surprised that you find the m340 to be closer to an M3. I surprisingly find it to be the opposite, I think (at least when also driving back to back with a C43) that the M340i simply just feels like a more powerful 330i with less steering feel rather than an M3. It definitely has M3 like power, but the driving experience didn't feel close to the recent F82 I drove.

Are you planning on leasing another Giulia?
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I'm surprised that you find the m340 to be closer to an M3. I surprisingly find it to be the opposite, I think (at least when also driving back to back with a C43) that the M340i simply just feels like a more powerful 330i with less steering feel rather than an M3. It definitely has M3 like power, but the driving experience didn't feel close to the recent F82 I drove.

Are you planning on leasing another Giulia?
I meant that in terms of daily driver it's closer to the M3. Just not comfortable enough, and without the steering/driving feel upgrade to justify it.

I don't think so because it's essentially leasing the same car, nothing has really changed and I like variety. I was the only person at the M Town day who really wanted to drive the M340i because it's something I'm actually considering, not just going there to get a chance behind an M5 competition.

This thread is pretty much my next car choice + used M2 w/ manual. I want a relatively normal sized (for 10 years ago I guess) sedan that's fun to drive and would love a standard (know that won't happen). It just feels people like me have been totally left behind by the industry today
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I went from an E92 335 to a Giulia TI. I'm in year 2 of my lease. I also went to the M Town event here last week and drove the M340i. A few things stood out in comparison.

1) The exhaust note/power is awesome.
2) The seats are extremely uncomfortable and small, almost 2-series size. No bolsters.
3) The materials are mediocre and overall interior design is bad.
4) The exterior is beautiful
5) The steering is not good

The Alfa's main advantages are comfort and steering. The steering is unbelievable, the sport seats are super nice, and it's an incredibly comfortable daily driver. The M340i is too close to an M3 and too far from a 330 and would probably be a rough daily driver.
I'm surprised you found the M340 uncomfortable, and the seats without support. I actually find the opposite. To me the M340 is a classic "grand tourer", in the old meaning of that phrase, i.e, from the days when Aston's or Jaguars were built to drive halfway across Europe and drop the owner off in time for a G&T in the bar (no, I'm not that old!). The M340 has the power and comfort to cover big distances without the driver getting overly fatigued, whilst it has enough "sportiness" to allow that driver to have some fun along the way.
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Did something change in the latest version of iDrive w.r.t. Carplay? I have a 2017 M240 (sorry I don't know what version of iDrive that is, maybe 5.0?) and I can use Google Maps and Waze when I'm connected to CarPlay both wired and wireless. So I found that an odd complaint in the iDrive review.
You have iDrive 6.
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You have iDrive 6.
Nah I actually went back and checked. I have iDrive 5.0. Looks like they added 6.0 as part of the cosmetic LCI of the F22 for MY18 (I have the mechanical LCI MY17).
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I went from an E92 335 to a Giulia TI. I'm in year 2 of my lease. I also went to the M Town event here last week and drove the M340i. A few things stood out in comparison.

1) The exhaust note/power is awesome.
2) The seats are extremely uncomfortable and small, almost 2-series size. No bolsters.
3) The materials are mediocre and overall interior design is bad.
4) The exterior is beautiful
5) The steering is not good

The Alfa's main advantages are comfort and steering. The steering is unbelievable, the sport seats are super nice, and it's an incredibly comfortable daily driver. The M340i is too close to an M3 and too far from a 330 and would probably be a rough daily driver.
Uh, didn't the F22/F30/F32 have identical seats? What do you mean "small, almost 2-series size"?
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Well there you have it folks, we all knew the C43AMG feel more raw but the fellow on Track Day TV stilled pulled better times in the M340 Xdrive.
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Well there you have it folks, we all knew the C43AMG feel more raw but the fellow on Track Day TV stilled pulled better times in the M340 Xdrive.
Yea but feel matters to a lot people though
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Well there you have it folks, we all knew the C43AMG feel more raw but the fellow on Track Day TV stilled pulled better times in the M340 Xdrive.
Yea but feel matters to a lot people though
Feel isn't the same as rawness. I don't recall reviews saying the C43 has notably more feel, just that it is more raw and aggressive.
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Uh, didn't the F22/F30/F32 have identical seats? What do you mean "small, almost 2-series size"?
I never compared the seats to the F series seats....
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I never compared the seats to the F series seats....
Well you compared them to the 2 series seats, didn't you? There has only ever been one generation of the 2 series and it's an F series .
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