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      12-22-2019, 08:02 PM   #67
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Hell yes! the Quadrifoglio made that movie, it was epic, saw it last week.
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42mpg at 75mph for a car that can hit 60mph in almost 5 seconds flat. Also, .99g on the skid pad? isn't that approaching 911 territory???
Actually, it is much better. The last real 911 was built in 1989. The 964 model started in 1989 too, and then they went on & on. As you may know, they are up to 992 now.
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i test drove a giulia TI Q2 today. Theres a lot to like about that car, you can tell they spent their budget on the suspension and engine, and not well.. the buttons, switchgear, infotainment etc. Though the solid aluminum paddle shifters... BMW could learn a thing or two from them.

Not sure I'd want to actually own the thing every day though, but its got personality for sure.
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Said it before, I'll say it again. The g20 330's power output is pathetic.

The fact that the G20 M340 got a huge jump in power from the F30, but the 330 was left to lag behind with not a single solitary additional digit of power or torque is frankly ridiculous. The disparity between the lines (Msport/ M340/ M3) is too large.

It should have 300hp/300trq - then the BMW would have wiped the floor with the whole segment. Instead it's a bit weak sauce....stagnant...meh.

Even a performance package add on option to give factory supported, warrantied tuning solution would have been welcomed. Instead we have to mess around with the aftermarket and the associated risks.

I'm sure it's because it would potentially cannibalize the M340 sales as 300/300 is plenty for most people's needs, but it's anything but progress.
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      12-23-2019, 03:11 PM   #71
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Said it before, I'll say it again. The g20 330's power output is pathetic.

The fact that the G20 M340 got a huge jump in power from the F30, but the 330 was left to lag behind with not a single solitary additional digit of power or torque is frankly ridiculous. The disparity between the lines (Msport/ M340/ M3) is too large.

It should have 300hp/300trq - then the BMW would have wiped the floor with the whole segment. Instead it's a bit weak sauce....stagnant...meh.

Even a performance package add on option to give factory supported, warrantied tuning solution would have been welcomed. Instead we have to mess around with the aftermarket and the associated risks.

I'm sure it's because it would potentially cannibalize the M340 sales as 300/300 is plenty for most people's needs, but it's anything but progress.
I respectfully disagree. The power output is completely adequate for its segment. Sure the Alfa has a slight power bump but you read the article right? When looking at the overall package the 3 series is the better car. Power isn't everything, these aren't muscle cars. Compare it to its direct competitors, not the m340i.

BMW 330i - 255 hp/295 lb-ft
Mercedes C300 - 255 hp/273 lb-ft
Audi A4 - 248 hp/273 lb-ft
Genesis G70 - 252 hp/260 lb-ft
Alfa Romeo Giulia - 280 hp/306 lb-ft

In terms of cannibalizing m340i sales, I'm not sure the m340i has significant enough sales figures that a 45 hp power bump in the 330i would make a meaningful impact, especially if BMW decides to raise the sale price of the 330. In that case you may even see a halo effect if the price differential is reduced between the two models.
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      12-23-2019, 04:09 PM   #72
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I respectfully disagree. The power output is completely adequate for its segment. Sure the Alfa has a slight power bump but you read the article right? When looking at the overall package the 3 series is the better car. Power isn't everything, these aren't muscle cars. Compare it to its direct competitors, not the m340i.

BMW 330i - 255 hp/295 lb-ft
Mercedes C300 - 255 hp/273 lb-ft
Audi A4 - 248 hp/273 lb-ft
Genesis G70 - 252 hp/260 lb-ft
Alfa Romeo Giulia - 280 hp/306 lb-ft

In terms of cannibalizing m340i sales, I'm not sure the m340i has significant enough sales figures that a 45 hp power bump in the 330i would make a meaningful impact, especially if BMW decides to raise the sale price of the 330. In that case you may even see a halo effect if the price differential is reduced between the two models.
I would guess bmw knows what they are doing.

They are more than competitive and in their mainstream base car, i'd imagine squeaking out say 2mpg more in EPA rating appeals to the buyers in the 330i's class more than say 30hp using more boost etc.

They probably could easily do whatever they did to make the x2 m35i have 302hp but it would lower fuel economy, and making like a special model number in between the 340i and 330i would seem like just another model to maybe keep in stock for a tiny group of people who'd go for it.
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Frankly, I'm fine with my 330i xDrive's power. It's definitely in line, if not better, than most of the class. And since when is 0-60 in 5.2 seconds considered "slow"? Yes, slower compared to some cars, but still more than enough for day-to-day driving.
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Frankly, I'm fine with my 330i xDrive's power. It's definitely in line, if not better, than most of the class. And since when is 0-60 in 5.2 seconds considered "slow"? Yes, slower compared to some cars, but still more than enough for day-to-day driving.
I agree with you. I don't get how the 330i is "slow". I'm doing more than the legal posted speed limit in much less than a minute! Back in the day, supercars did a 0-60 in less than 5.5s. Even then, more power cannot hurt.
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The fact that the G20 M340 got a huge jump in power from the F30, but the 330 was left to lag behind with not a single solitary additional digit of power or torque is frankly ridiculous.
I just noticed that you said the G20 330i didn't get any power bump over the previous generation. Not sure why you think that.

http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsreleas...15&mid=111

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Boasting numerous detail upgrades, the new 2.0-liter, inline 4-cylinder powering the new 2019 BMW 330i unit delivers 255 hp between 5,000 and 6,500 rpm and a peak torque of 295 lb-ft from 1,550 to 4,400 rpm. The 7 hp increase in output and the extra 37 lb-ft of torque compared with the predecessor engine are the result of the focused optimization of the BMW TwinPower Turbo system – which is made up a twin-scroll turbocharger, High Precision Injection direct petrol injection, VALVETRONIC fully variable valve timing and Double-VANOS variable camshaft timing.
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That's what you lease a car like that.

No reason to have such a large boat anchor attached.
I never lease... M5 compitition in januari 2020
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A lot of this comparison is moot in my opinion, because whenever I hear the brand "Alfa", all I can think of is "unreliable". Sure it's a great car, but being in the shop more than on the road is a non-starter.
Welcome to 2019!
You should hear more about Alfa. I don't think the latest reliability has anything to do with the past.
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I will never buy an alfa. Even the quadrifolgio are depreciating here in The Netherlands. New 160K full opt. and after 2 years for 67K.....
I don't have to own a car to now it's rubbish after two years because of software glitch, suspensoir problems, navigation issues etc etc.
But my opinion it's not important...so keep buying those alfa's guys LOL
How's your M4 holding the value?
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A lot of this comparison is moot in my opinion, because whenever I hear the brand "Alfa", all I can think of is "unreliable". Sure it's a great car, but being in the shop more than on the road is a non-starter.
Welcome to 2019!
You should hear more about Alfa. I don't think the latest reliability has anything to do with the past.
You should read again...
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You should read again...
Nothing to read.
Know quite a few people that went from BMW to Giulia and were happier with the exclusivity and absolutely no issues.
The magazine review has nothing to do with Giulia that goes H2H with the G20
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Guilia's except for the Quad leases super cheap. Based on data collected on leasehackr they were offering the cheapest leases this year along with the Infiniti. So if someone were on the hunt for a bargain entry level sports sedan, the Giulia would be a top consideration.

The few people you have first hand knowledge of switching and being happier means nada. That statement carry no tangible significance whatsoever from a statistical point of view. Also, the bit about exclusivity is quite comical when it's the byproduct of a car with low demand, at least when compared to its main rivals. That's not necessarily a good thing for Guilia fans.
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Nothing to read.
Know quite a few people that went from BMW to Giulia and were happier with the exclusivity and absolutely no issues.
The magazine review has nothing to do with Giulia that goes H2H with the G20
Exclusivity? Lol, that made me laugh. I should buy a Tata, just to have exclusivity. No Alfa will be more exclusive than an BMW Individual vehicle.
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Exclusivity? Lol, that made me laugh. I should buy a Tata, just to have exclusivity. No Alfa will be more exclusive than an BMW Individual vehicle.
Had Tata outperformed your BMW in every performance category (like Giulia did), then yes, why not??
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I don't know, I mean, I would say there is definitely some exclusivity of the Giulia. Not like 911 GT3 (or some other variant) levels of exclusivity, but these are in a sense low volume cars that at least, in most areas you may never see a lot.

A 3-series? One everyday, but a Giulia, especially Quadrifoglio's, they always catch my attention. I had one pass me the other day with the window open, and the exhaust got me turning me head as it passed by.
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Had Tata outperformed your BMW in every performance category (like Giulia did), then yes, why not??
Ah, yes, the badge...
In my books Alfa does not outperform (strong word) in any way the BMW. First of all, I will never trade the material quality and fit and finish for very little more performance. If I want an outperforming vehicle, Alfa is not in my books.
No, not a badge thing. I owned many cars, and still own different brand, I just want to see that level of quality I am thirsty for. Alfa really disappoints in every aspect when we are talking about materials and execution.
BMW is the one that defined the sporty luxury vehicle. Alfa was the worse car I have ever owned. I realized why in Europe we call the Italian cars "Gigolo: they are cute but they always disappoint."
BMW is not flawless, but Alfa can't hold a candle to BMW in terms of execution and reliability.
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I'm confused... "exclusivity" is by definition something that is restricted or limited to a select group of individuals (i.e. many people are excluded from attaining that item whether it be due to it being a limited production run or that it's simply too high of a price etc).

Alfas aren't limited, they just simply don't sell well.
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My issue with these comparison threads is that there's always some random character who waltzes in to tell us how the competition is so much better than the G20. If a G20 owner disagrees they're met with disdain and called out as fanboys which is ridiculous. Oftentimes, these people don't even own the cars that are supposedly better than the G20.

There are countless factors that goes into car buying, it boggles my mind what these trolls hope to accomplish by forcing their agenda on others. Choosing a car for some of us is akin to selecting a spouse. Countless person factors goes into the selection. There's no point in trying to tell someone who have already chosen a G20 that they made the ill informed decision because somehow the Tesla, Genesis, Alfa, Mercedes etc are all better than the G20. It is borderline insulting.

C+D test clearly showed the shortcomings of the Giulia so how is it better overall when it had inferior brakes for example. Better is subjective and the data provided has not shown that the Giulia is superior to the G20. Having better steering response does not automatically make the Giulia better. Giulia's were highly regarded during the era of the F30. G20 has improved many of the shortcomings in the F30. Why is it a surprise that the G20 matches up well with the Giulia and surpasses it in many areas. G20 is a new model and nothing less is expected. In summary, F the Guilia, whomever wants one can go buy it, we live in a free marketplace. That's what's so great about having choices.
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I'm confused... "exclusivity" is by definition something that is restricted or limited to a select group of individuals (i.e. many people are excluded from attaining that item whether it be due to it being a limited production run or that it's simply too high of a price etc).

Alfas aren't limited, they just simply don't sell well.
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