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      09-09-2019, 12:57 PM   #2443
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[*]Non-US news but interesting enough to post: BMW is readying a new version of F40 targeted squarely at Golf GTI. It'll use the same engine as M135i but it will be detuned to 260hp and drive the front wheels. The current name for this model is "128ti", but in all ways it's going to be an M Performance model, with M aero bits, M sport brakes, sport suspension, special sport seats, and other goodies. Though still no manual transmission.[/list]

Too little too late, but I will keep an open mind.

They would be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't have a manual option. I think something like 50% of GTI's are sold with a manual?
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      09-12-2019, 01:04 PM   #2444
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M5 CS, new M motor, other little things.
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M Performance PHEV. Interesting. I wouldn't mind driving a X5 M50e with 50 miles EV range and a 500+ hp V8.
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The next 8 cylinder M motor is going to be called S68. Most likely, it will be an evolution of S63, not something radically new. I would expect some electrification with the internal combustion side mostly staying the same. Maybe it will be the engine for M5 CS, maybe for something farther in the future - not sure yet.
Cool. It makes me wonder if there will also be an N68 for M Performance vehicles (M*55i ?). That would make sense, since mild-hybridization of all BMW engines is likely to occur over the next few years.

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The first M Performance PHEV vehicle is coming: M750Le xDrive.
So the question is - I6 or V8. They could theoretically swap the B58 O1 into the existing 45e drivetrain and get a 100hp increase straight away. And they could obviously get even more if they use a more powerful electric motor. That could put them right about on par with the N63 T3 used in today's M50i vehicles. Or they could go with a (detuned) N63 M3, similar to how the 45e uses a detuned B58 M1 (at least I think its still technically the M1), and, even with the electric assist, ends up at about the same power output as the B58 O1 by itself (though its more fuel efficient, of course, which is the whole point).

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BMW is planning to offer the largest battery among all BEVs on the market at 120kWh. It will go into the model that we haven't seen yet, and I'm not yet going to speculate on the car itself.
My money would be on the iNEXT first, but any pure EV in the 5 Series range and above would be a candidate eventually, I'm sure.
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      09-13-2019, 10:52 AM   #2447
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So the question is - I6 or V8. They could theoretically swap the B58 O1 into the existing 45e drivetrain and get a 100hp increase straight away.
The most likely powertrain layout for 50e is B58M2 replacing B58M1 and a more powerful electric motor.
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My money would be on the iNEXT first, but any pure EV in the 5 Series range and above would be a candidate eventually, I'm sure.
I don't think we'll see the 120kWh pack in iNext, at least not initially.
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      09-13-2019, 03:03 PM   #2448
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what's the s68 engine?
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what's the s68 engine?
S68 is new upcoming M engine mentioned in latest update - in the first post
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S68 will be in the next G90 M5 and will feature I hybrid power train I am guessing. I am also guessing that the S68 will have a smaller power output than the current S63tu4, and may even be a smaller displacement than 4.4L, but the drop in gasoline horsepower will be made up by the addition of an electric motor. The real question/challenge will be whether or not M can make a hybrid G90 M5 without increasing the overall curb weight over the current F90.
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Hmmm, wonder if the M5 CS is going to be fast or not....
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S68 will be in the next G90 M5 and will feature I hybrid power train I am guessing. I am also guessing that the S68 will have a smaller power output than the current S63tu4, and may even be a smaller displacement than 4.4L, but the drop in gasoline horsepower will be made up by the addition of an electric motor. The real question/challenge will be whether or not M can make a hybrid G90 M5 without increasing the overall curb weight over the current F90.
S68 will have the same displacement as S63 so as far as the total output the future looks bright.
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At this rate we're going to get a X7M CSL
Even better than that: an Alpina BX7!
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At this rate we're going to get a X7M CSL
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S68 will have the same displacement as S63 so as far as the total output the future looks bright.
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120kwh!? That could power my house for a week!
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S68 will have the same displacement as S63 so as far as the total output the future looks bright.
maybe the s68 will come with the 48v electric system, same the new AUDI RS7 2020
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At this rate we're going to get a X7M CSL
It's not a coupe so... no CSL. But I bet a competition package probably appears for sure
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      09-13-2019, 08:10 PM   #2461
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At this rate we're going to get a X7M CSL
Sadly, you may be right! The "M5 CS" is already an oxymoron, but that's obviously not going to stop BMW from taking even the CSL badge all the way to the top of the product hierarchy.

Most people that buy these do not care about this automotive contradiction. They want the fastest, most expensive version regardless of what it is and what it is supposed to represent. BMW knows it, and they will gladly leverage their latest badging to add layers of margin, while also enabling them to price discriminate based on what someone is willing to pay for what is essentially the same car. Gone are the days when the engineers and driving enthusiasts influenced more of the offerings. BMW MBAs, however, are doing their best work

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Hmmm, wonder if the M5 CS is going to be fast or not....
It will be fast for sure but too big. M5 Competition is all you need to storm the autobahn or take long cross country trips. CS badge for track and tight twisty roads should only be slapped on M2/M3/M4.
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[*]BMW is planning to offer the largest battery among all BEVs on the market at 120kWh. It will go into the model that we haven't seen yet, and I'm not yet going to speculate on the car itself.
I am curious as to which model this is.
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M Performance PHEV. Interesting. I wouldn't mind driving a X5 M50e with 50 miles EV range and a 500+ hp V8.
M9 super car 800 HP gas/electric ?
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