Bimmerpost
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BIMMERPOST Universal Forums General BMW News and Cars Discussion Future BMW model information

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      03-14-2017, 03:04 PM   #1145
FuriousLucy
Voyeur
FuriousLucy's Avatar
United_States
33
Rep
61
Posts

Drives: 2015 F82 M4
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Springfield, Ohio

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ynguldyn View Post
No.
Any insights to suggest the appearance of M3/M4 with AWD?
Appreciate 0
      03-14-2017, 05:16 PM   #1146
ynguldyn
Colonel
3263
Rep
2,365
Posts

Drives: battery powered tv on wheels
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SickFinga View Post
Nah, the difference wasn't that big. When you leaked S55 data back in 2012 it was rated at 310kw, but the final number as now we know is 317kw
Every hp that takes it closer to the Stelvio will be highly appreciated by this audience.
Appreciate 1
kozzi773.00

      03-14-2017, 05:16 PM   #1147
ynguldyn
Colonel
3263
Rep
2,365
Posts

Drives: battery powered tv on wheels
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FuriousLucy View Post
Any insights to suggest the appearance of M3/M4 with AWD?
Ask me this time next year.
Appreciate 0
      03-14-2017, 05:28 PM   #1148
M3 Number 86
Major General
2997
Rep
6,127
Posts

Drives: black m3
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: pasadena

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SliChillax View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by M3 Number 86 View Post
Finally an r8 competitor. Took an Audi guy lol
What? The M8 will be an S63 Coupe competitor, not a mid engined supercar.
Dammit I take my comment back. I must've prematurely ejaculated

Hey BMW we need an r8 competitor. STILL.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      03-14-2017, 11:45 PM   #1149
kozzi
Pygocentrus Piraya
kozzi's Avatar
United_States
773
Rep
975
Posts

Drives: 2018 BMW X3 M40i
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Brooklyn, NY

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by ynguldyn View Post
Every hp that takes it closer to the Stelvio will be highly appreciated by this audience.
+1

F97/F98 needs to be as close to 500hp as possible IMO. There is a lot of competition in this class...not that hp is everything but I look at the X5M/X6M vs the competition as a good enough reason. Why not? I don't think it would take sales away from either the M3/M4 or the X5M/X6M and all 4 of those vehicles would still perform better so it would not mess with hierarchy. Time for BMW to bring it, and after waiting 2 more years it better.
__________________
kozzi

2018 BMW G01 M40i
Phytonic Blue Metallic / Black_Blue Vernasca Leather / Aluminum Rhombicle / 20" 699M
Appreciate 1
FSociety3253.00

      03-15-2017, 06:45 AM   #1150
brout
New Member
United_States
0
Rep
5
Posts

Drives: 2000 Ford Taurus SE
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: New Jersey

iTrader: (0)

I was really hoping that G20 3er was going on sale late this year. I suppose that I'll have to buy the last model year F30.

Last edited by brout; 03-15-2017 at 06:58 PM..
Appreciate 0
      03-15-2017, 07:45 AM   #1151
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
5640
Rep
18,552
Posts

Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ynguldyn View Post
Every hp that takes it closer to the Stelvio will be highly appreciated by this audience.
Not to mention the GLC63 pair coming in a year or less which will also get over 500hp in S form. There is also an RS Q5 coming soon (was rumored to bow in Geneva but didn't) but that'll probably (99%) get the 450hp 2.9L V6.

BMW is likely to come in somewhere in the middle. I don't think they are going for best in class power because they know they aren't going to be able to win that arms race as long as Mercedes has the M177 4.0L V8 in service. I suspect they are in the final generation of V8 engines in their "C family" of products (the new I6 will take over from there, I suspect), so once that ends and everyone is playing with the same calibre firepower, maybe BMW will have a go. At that point though, 500hp will be the price of entry anyway. Then, the new race will be to 200hp/L in the 3.0L six cylinder engine class. Maybe it takes hybridized engines (like that new Mercedes M256 I6, speak of the devil), or maybe McLaren can help (since they are quickly approaching 200hp/L themselves).
Appreciate 1
kozzi773.00

      03-15-2017, 09:04 AM   #1152
kozzi
Pygocentrus Piraya
kozzi's Avatar
United_States
773
Rep
975
Posts

Drives: 2018 BMW X3 M40i
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Brooklyn, NY

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post
Not to mention the GLC63 pair coming in a year or less which will also get over 500hp in S form. There is also an RS Q5 coming soon (was rumored to bow in Geneva but didn't) but that'll probably (99%) get the 450hp 2.9L V6.

BMW is likely to come in somewhere in the middle. I don't think they are going for best in class power because they know they aren't going to be able to win that arms race as long as Mercedes has the M177 4.0L V8 in service. I suspect they are in the final generation of V8 engines in their "C family" of products (the new I6 will take over from there, I suspect), so once that ends and everyone is playing with the same calibre firepower, maybe BMW will have a go. At that point though, 500hp will be the price of entry anyway. Then, the new race will be to 200hp/L in the 3.0L six cylinder engine class. Maybe it takes hybridized engines (like that new Mercedes M256 I6, speak of the devil), or maybe McLaren can help (since they are quickly approaching 200hp/L themselves).
I did not take into consideration I6 vs V8 but now that we know the F97 is to get an S58, what real world numbers could we expect? The S58 with 450-460hp is not a bad thing but would love to see real world numbers close to 500hp...maybe 480-490hp. That would put the X3M in the mix vs the competition.
__________________
kozzi

2018 BMW G01 M40i
Phytonic Blue Metallic / Black_Blue Vernasca Leather / Aluminum Rhombicle / 20" 699M
Appreciate 0
      03-15-2017, 09:19 AM   #1153
jpdchicago
Major
722
Rep
1,015
Posts

Drives: M4 gts
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Chicago area

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 5against8 View Post
Do we know if this will be MY2018 only/very limited run? Or more like ZCP to continue on to F82 EOP.
I think it will become the new ZCP. Why would BMW make a limited version when they can make an extra 10,000 on each car. Interesting to see how many ZCPs they have sold already. Close to 70% of all new orders at $5,000 above regular M price.
If they can get out the CS at Less than $15,000 above civic M3/M4 it will be a winner with all those options included (gts hood, carbon brakes, upgraded springs and sway bars, specific M performance aero, etc)
Appreciate 0
      03-15-2017, 09:35 AM   #1154
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
5640
Rep
18,552
Posts

Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kozzi View Post
I did not take into consideration I6 vs V8 but now that we know the F97 is to get an S58, what real world numbers could we expect? The S58 with 450-460hp is not a bad thing but would love to see real world numbers close to 500hp...maybe 480-490hp. That would put the X3M in the mix vs the competition.
The most specific I could guess at this point is >=450hp but <500hp.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpdchicago View Post
I think it will become the new ZCP. Why would BMW make a limited version when they can make an extra $10,000 on each car. Interesting to see how many ZCPs they have sold already. Close to 70% of all new orders at $5,000 above regular M price.
Agree it won't be limited, but it isn't going to completely replace ZCP either. They need to keep the $5k package price to maintain the high sell-thru rate. The CS will be there for those who few (maybe 10%, as a guess) want to go above and beyond that for an even more customized aftermarket look from the factory.
Appreciate 2
kozzi773.00
FSociety3253.00

      03-15-2017, 01:41 PM   #1155
JorgenM
Private First Class
Norway
87
Rep
131
Posts

Drives: Jag i-Pace and Tesla P85
Join Date: May 2016
Location: NORTH

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rallybull View Post
Was hoping the i3s would get something closer to 280-300 hp. Never mind.
I'm hoping for 5 seats for the LCI version, but I guess not possible...

If i3S has the 120Ah battery I might consider swapping my 60Ah.
Appreciate 0
      03-15-2017, 03:01 PM   #1156
BimmerMat135
Major
Canada
431
Rep
1,251
Posts

Drives: E82M/F31 328XD
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Montréal Canada

iTrader: (0)

About the M2 competition do we have something new? Is it going to have a huge wing a la M4 GTS? Roll cage perhaps? Rear seat? Availability of a manual transmission?
Appreciate 1
xlover654.50

      03-15-2017, 03:38 PM   #1157
stvding
Major
stvding's Avatar
Canada
542
Rep
1,436
Posts

Drives: G20 M340ix
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Markham

iTrader: (0)

Anyone knows when G20 will be revealed? 2019 model year, so some time next year 2018? Which quarter?
Appreciate 0
      03-15-2017, 07:18 PM   #1158
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
5640
Rep
18,552
Posts

Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stvding View Post
Anyone knows when G20 will be revealed? 2019 model year, so some time next year 2018? Which quarter?
Production starts 11/18, so figure press release and pics a couple months prior.
Appreciate 0
      03-16-2017, 11:48 AM   #1159
stvding
Major
stvding's Avatar
Canada
542
Rep
1,436
Posts

Drives: G20 M340ix
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Markham

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by stvding View Post
Anyone knows when G20 will be revealed? 2019 model year, so some time next year 2018? Which quarter?
Production starts 11/18, so figure press release and pics a couple months prior.
So about September 2018. 1.5 years away.
Appreciate 0
      03-17-2017, 02:18 AM   #1160
chester22
Private
16
Rep
77
Posts

Drives: 530i
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: south florida

iTrader: (0)

Has the US 320i received the new engine yet? b48/b46 or whatever its called
Appreciate 0
      03-17-2017, 08:35 AM   #1161
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
5640
Rep
18,552
Posts

Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by chester22 View Post
Has the US 320i received the new engine yet? b48/b46 or whatever its called
If it hasn't yet then I'm not sure it ever will. MY2018 for the F30 starts in July and that will be the final model year.

I am more curious about whether the G20 (and F40) *20i will move to a B38 3 cylinder. It seems they could tune it to 125hp/L in the same way that the *30i vehicles use a B48 with 125hp/L.

Speaking of the F40, if it were to arrive on the typical seven year model cycle, it would be launching next year too - just prior to the G20 in fact, just as the E87 did vs. the E90 and the F20 did vs. the F30. Yet, I don't recall seeing many (if any) mules yet, whereas the F20 mules have been around for years. And I don't think we have any dates listed for F20/F21 EOP. So will the F20 live on longer? And if so, how long until the F40 arrives?
Appreciate 0
      03-17-2017, 01:24 PM   #1162
Weiman
Second Lieutenant
Weiman's Avatar
Sweden
133
Rep
286
Posts

Drives: BMW 116i M-Sport -14
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Sweden

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post
If it hasn't yet then I'm not sure it ever will. MY2018 for the F30 starts in July and that will be the final model year.

I am more curious about whether the G20 (and F40) *20i will move to a B38 3 cylinder. It seems they could tune it to 125hp/L in the same way that the *30i vehicles use a B48 with 125hp/L.

Speaking of the F40, if it were to arrive on the typical seven year model cycle, it would be launching next year too - just prior to the G20 in fact, just as the E87 did vs. the E90 and the F20 did vs. the F30. Yet, I don't recall seeing many (if any) mules yet, whereas the F20 mules have been around for years. And I don't think we have any dates listed for F20/F21 EOP. So will the F20 live on longer? And if so, how long until the F40 arrives?
I'm wondering about this too. Perhaps the F40 will launch after the G20, which could mean a 7,5 or even 8 year lifespan for the F20.
There are rumors about updates for the F20 this summer, which would make sense if it will live on another two years.
Appreciate 0
      03-17-2017, 02:45 PM   #1163
ynguldyn
Colonel
3263
Rep
2,365
Posts

Drives: battery powered tv on wheels
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Oh, right, I never bothered giving SOP/EOP dates for RTW only models.

F4x is coming July 2019.
Appreciate 2
Weiman132.50
mkoesel5640.00

      03-17-2017, 05:33 PM   #1164
SCOTT26
Major General
SCOTT26's Avatar
4340
Rep
5,619
Posts

Drives: A big F-off German Truck.
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: WORLDWIDE

iTrader: (0)

F40 impression from AMS.
Attached Images
 
__________________
The M850i is evidence that BMW have got their mojo back when it comes to dynamic sports cars...
Appreciate 1
mkoesel5640.00

      04-02-2017, 11:11 AM   #1165
MalibuBimmer
Founder, Knights of the Roundel website
MalibuBimmer's Avatar
United_States
958
Rep
1,726
Posts

Drives: 2015 M4 and 2018 AMG GT
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: The Santa Monica Mountains, CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2018 Mercedes AMG GT  [0.00]
2018 Audi Q3  [0.00]
2015 BMW M4  [5.00]
The kidney grilles are ever-so-slightly going through a metamorphosis. I suspect in a couple of years they will be very square shaped.

BMW -- don't do it!
__________________
Previously: 2014 i8; 2013 650i convertible; 2013 650i Gran Coupe; 2013 X1; 2010 550i GT; 2010 535 GT; 2010 Z4 3.5; 2008 535ixt; 2007 M6 convertible; 2006 650i convertible; 1996 Z3; 1980 633CSi; 1978 630CS; 1972 3.0CS; 1971 Bavaria. (1971; 1979-2005 & 2017 - ? -- the Mercedes years.)
Appreciate 0
      04-07-2017, 10:33 AM   #1166
V-Eight
Private First Class
50
Rep
144
Posts

Drives: F20 M140i - Maserati Ghibli S
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Italy

iTrader: (0)

At the end, I don't mind if the new 1er will loose the RWD. This means that a lot of which now are driving the 1 series.....will be forced to buy the new 2 series, or maybe the new M2 :-D
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
future bmw, release date, upcoming bmw

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:38 PM.




g20
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST