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      09-07-2017, 03:00 PM   #1299
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It's still possible that the current M0 will get even more power, but I don't know how likely that really is. My expectation is 355hp for the G02 X4 M40i, G20 M340i, and G29 Z4 M40i next year. We shall see.
You're close. G02 will obviously match G01. As for G2x, non-M Performance B58M1 will only slightly increase the power to 335hp, which means that M340i/M440i/Z4 M40i B58M1 should also end up with just a bit more than X3 M40i. 360-370 would be my best guess.
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      09-07-2017, 03:03 PM   #1300
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I may have missed it, but any info on when the G20 will be unveiled? Next March in Detroit?
Too soon unless they decide to bring a "concept". Could be as late as Paris, since SOP is in November.
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      09-07-2017, 03:08 PM   #1301
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You're close. G02 will obviously match G01. As for G2x, non-M Performance B58M1 will only slightly increase the power to 335hp, which means that M340i/M440i/Z4 M40i B58M1 should also end up with just a bit more than X3 M40i. 360-370 would be my best guess.
Ok, that makes sense.

But, is this going to happen next year, or in 2019? You had said in your earlier update that it was 2019 (I should clarify that I know the vehicles are being introduced next year - however, the engine update could theoretically come in year two of production). Although I don't know if that has now moved up to 2018 along with the N55 retirement date as you and lemetier were discussing a few days back.
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      09-07-2017, 03:17 PM   #1302
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Ok, that makes sense.

But, is this going to happen next year, or in 2019? You had said in your earlier update that it was 2019 (I should clarify that I know the vehicles are being introduced next year - however, the engine update could theoretically come in year two of production). Although I don't know if that has now moved up to 2018 along with the N55 retirement date as you and lemetier were discussing a few days back.
G05 will be introduced with B58M1 ( the new one) and N63O2 (the current one) with August SOP. This seems to be the first real world application for B58TU. And it looks like it'll be rolled out to other models over the rest of 2018 and 2019.
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      09-08-2017, 08:45 AM   #1303
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G05 will be introduced with B58M1 ( the new one) and N63O2 (the current one) with August SOP. This seems to be the first real world application for B58TU. And it looks like it'll be rolled out to other models over the rest of 2018 and 2019.
Ok, so yes, it sure sounds like it could be ready for potential use in the launch of the M340i then. And probably the Z4 M40i too. But not the X1 M40i (which is fine since it will match the X3 M40i initially and both can then be upgraded sometime in 2019).
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      09-11-2017, 02:09 PM   #1304
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I came here because the headline says.. 2 SERIES GRAN COUPE FOR US...

of course all along everyone has told me it's not happening so..
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I came here because the headline says.. 2 SERIES GRAN COUPE FOR US...

of course all along everyone has told me it's not happening so..
With the proliferation of the crappy Audi A3s around here it would be illogical for BMW not to offer its own crappy FWD compact.
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      09-11-2017, 02:38 PM   #1306
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I came here because the headline says.. 2 SERIES GRAN COUPE FOR US...

of course all along everyone has told me it's not happening so..
Me too. I've been saying for years they need to make a RWD 240GC with a manual tranny. Preferably by Feb 2019 when my current lease is up.
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Is it confirmed that all next generation 2 series models will definitely be fwd?
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Is it confirmed that all next generation 2 series models will definitely be fwd?
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      09-11-2017, 02:48 PM   #1309
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Is it confirmed that all next generation 2 series models will definitely be fwd?
Confirmed specifically for 2GC.
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      09-11-2017, 02:57 PM   #1310
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I came here because the headline says.. 2 SERIES GRAN COUPE FOR US...

of course all along everyone has told me it's not happening so..
Ah, but a current-generation 2GC still isn't happening, nor is a next-generation G4x-based 2GC. So, no RWD.

What we now have confirmation on is that the next-generation F44 UKL vehicle that we already knew was coming is indeed a 2 Series Gran Coupe as speculated.

Not that I don't think a UKL vehicle can be a good product. The new RS3 is getting great reviews, and it employs a platform similar to BMW's UKL. The problem is, so far there is no apparent plan to do M UKL vehicles - only M Performance. That means, as things stand, while we'll very likely get an S3 competitor (M235i GC), we won't get an RS3 competitor (M2 GC). However, that could still change in the future, and theoretically it could even change in time for an F44-2GC-based M2 GC to appear at some point.

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Confirmed specifically for 2GC.
And as a corollary, I believe it is confirmed that the coupe and convertible will be RWD, right (G42, G43)?
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      09-11-2017, 02:59 PM   #1311
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Confirmed specifically for 2GC.
xdrive optional? and is this for the next redesign in 2020/2021 or existing model?

Sucks they are running on the fwd platform. Would have liked to have seen an M2 GC.
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      09-11-2017, 03:00 PM   #1312
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Ah, but a current-generation 2GC still isn't happening, nor is a next-generation G4x-based 2GC. So, no RWD.

What we now have confirmation on is that the next-generation F44 UKL vehicle that we already knew was coming is indeed a 2 Series Gran Coupe as speculated.

Not that I don't think a UKL vehicle can be a good product. The new RS3 is getting great reviews, and it employs a platform similar to BMW's UKL. The problem is, so far there is no apparent plan to do M UKL vehicles - only M Performance. That means, as things stand, while we'll very likely get an S3 competitor (M235i GC), we won't get an RS3 competitor (M2 GC). However, that could still change in the future, and theoretically it could even change in time for an F44-2GC-based M2 GC to appear at some point.
My best guess - and it's really just a guess with very little hard info supporting it - is we'll get 228i (or whatever they'll call the mid-level B46) in FWD and AWD and M235i AWD.
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Excited to see the new 2 series Gran Coupe and the new 3 series.
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My best guess - and it's really just a guess with very little hard info supporting it - is we'll get 228i (or whatever they'll call the mid-level B46) in FWD and AWD and M235i AWD.
That sounds reasonable, and that would be my guess as well.
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Will we be seeing the G20 in Frankfurt?
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And as a corollary, I believe it is confirmed that the coupe and convertible will be RWD, right (G42, G43)?
At this time, I have nothing to add to what I've already said on the subject. As soon as there's any new evidence one way or the other, I'll report.

Right now I think the most plausible arrival time for F44 is late 2019.
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Will we be seeing the G20 in Frankfurt?
No. I would guess we'll see it no sooner than we saw the G30 prior to it's debut. So, next summer sometime. Just under a year from now.
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No M8? Maybe during 2018?
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At this time, I have nothing to add to what I've already said on the subject. As soon as there's any new evidence one way or the other, I'll report.
Fair enough. For now, I am pretty comfortable predicting they will be RWD based on the G4x chassis codes (which could just as easily have been F4x codes if they were to move to UKL).

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Right now I think the most plausible arrival time for F44 is late 2019.
That jibes with what we'd heard before from other sources. I recall a 2019 date mentioned in tandem with some spy shots that broke a couple years ago of a small sedan that many predicted was a 2GC (and hoped would be RWD - either based on the current F2x 2 Series or the next G4x 2 Series).
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No M8? Maybe during 2018?
With the 8 Series coupe not coming until 2018, I somewhat doubt we'll see an M8 before 2019. Just my guess.
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