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      12-14-2007, 05:51 PM   #67
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Don't be so condescending. Just because atheists don't believe in something that has no proof of existence doesn't mean they're all self-centered bastards like you think they are. A person doesn't have to believe in God to be a good person.

Science has done more for mankind than God has ever done. I grew up in a Christian family, but I gave up on God when I was around 14 years old. Look at the world today. If this "God" was so great and loving, don't you think he could do a bit more for this fucked up world?

Hold up ... Just asking...
you are saying that what SCIENCE(mankind) has done in its existence is improve it and God has been messing stuff up. ?
cause as i understood it you are trying to say that science is doing good and at the same time f*cking up (if God doenst exist)... ?
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Why are you so hard headed? Do you not understand that any public place (supported by taxpayers dollars) should be "neutral"?

How would you like it if gays started putting up rainbows all over the court house?

All I'm saying is that you have no right to otherwise bombard us with your BS in a public place. That is all. That goes for Muslims, Buddists, as well as Christians.

So no, I don't agree with the 10 commandments in a court house or any other pulbic place, sans a museum.

I also don't think it's right that churches don't get taxed. WHAT THE F*CK is that?? You don't realize how much this angers me. A Church is like any other business, they are there for the PROFIT. You see these pastors riding around in a Bently, and he doesn't even pay tax on the land he owns!!! Something needs to change, but I doubt it'll happen because religious fanatics idiots like George Bush is running the country.

uhm just because you might have seen/heard this does not mean that it happens everywhere. Unfortunately there are those who are in religion or other religious services for the money, but let God judge them for their wickedness.
In my church the Pastor does not get paid, although many believe he should.

I bothers me alot when i see people making such wide stereotypes about religion in general.

"You will know them by their fruit."
Look at those around you and see what they have living inside. To be angry with everyone who is of a certain religion or because the do believe in God is kinda scary.
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Say it out loud: "Humans are not special." Repeat endlessly, until you understand what that means, on personal, interpersonal, state, and religious levels.

There are no such things as magic, divine beings, or gods. Thus, everything 'religious' has been decreed by simple, evolved human animals. Humans are not special. That truth is impossible for most people to grasp, mostly because of organized religion. If you suspend religioius belief, you will see clearly, and yes, it will make you extraordinarily anxious, for a while.
Sure if you suspend the most important thing we have on this planet you can come up with all kind of interesting discoveries (that do not exactly interpret what the truth is).

In my opinion if you "suspend religious belief" that is like saying if you take water away from Earth you will no longer have a living Earth because that is one of its FUNDIMENTAL resources.
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Have some of you implied that evolution is not a proven theory?

Please make your thoughts on the subject clear, so I know who to ridicule.
Nice....
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Have some of you implied that evolution is not a proven theory?

Please make your thoughts on the subject clear, so I know who to ridicule.
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Nice....
I have made no implication about evolution.
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Although i havent made any implications i firmly believe that evolution is not proven.

I cant really argue though because that would mean using science, and i have not really done my homework one that, but go ahead tell me that all of us are really apes, oh I'm sorry we should go further, bacteria. There.

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y y y Me.

Although i havent made any implications i firmly believe that evolution is not proven.

I cant really argue though because that would mean using science, and i have not really done my homework one that, but go ahead tell me that all of us are really apes, oh I'm sorry we should go further, bacteria. There.

So, you haven't done your homework, but firmly believe against evolution being proven. Hmmm....

I think your way of thinking is certainly not critical, not scientific, seems very indoctrinated, quick-fix-answer style, religious-type-of-figuring-out-the-why type of thinking.

So, HWJA*?

*How would Jesus answerŽ?
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Would you vote for a Christian for President of US?
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Just like so many athiests to suppress other religions to create a forum for them to impose beliefs of their RELIGION without any chance of debate.

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re-li-gion [ri-lij-uhn] - noun: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.
Sure sounds like athiesm falls under that category. Athiests certainly do have a fundamental set of beliefs concerning God, creation of the universe and life, etc. Athiests have plenty of FAITH too. It takes a LOT of faith to deny that there isn't a God, because the consequences if they are wrong sure are huge!
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Just like so many athiests to suppress other religions to create a forum for them to impose beliefs of their RELIGION without any chance of debate.

Sure sounds like athiesm falls under that category. Athiests certainly do have a fundamental set of beliefs concerning God, creation of the universe and life, etc. Athiests have plenty of FAITH too. It takes a LOT of faith to deny that there isn't a God, because the consequences if they are wrong sure are huge!
And they are VERY intollerant of other religions.
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So, you haven't done your homework, but firmly believe against evolution being proven. Hmmm....

I think your way of thinking is certainly not critical, not scientific, seems very indoctrinated, quick-fix-answer style, religious-type-of-figuring-out-the-why type of thinking.

So, HWJA*?

*How would Jesus answerŽ?
sorry maybe i didnt make myself clear.

I dont research things that i believe are false, from what i have been told (school, friends, etc.) i have found some things extremely hard to believe. Also it is not my place to "disprove" your ideas and beliefs as i only wish to offer up what i see as the truth.

One more thing, I find it hard to vote for many of the so-called "Christian" presidential candidates, because of what is visible of their life. So voting for an atheist would be simply out of the question.
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And they are VERY intollerant of other religions.
I think it is the other way around. In the very beginning of one of these Religion arguments it was mentioned that only 4% of people are atheists (or a number like that) therefore, they must be wrong...
Whatever...intollerant or not, the only thing atheists ask is -- a proof!
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I think it is the other way around. In the very beginning of one of these Religion arguments it was mentioned that only 4% of people are atheists (or a number like that) therefore, they must be wrong...
Whatever...intollerant or not, the only thing atheists ask is -- a proof!
I didn't notice anybody's comment about 4%, but in any case, it wasn't mine. You can't determine who is correct by how many believe. It is not good when the small minority can oppress the vast majority.
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The First Amendment guarantees the free exercise of religion and freedom of speech. It does not guarantee you will not be offended.

There is victory over those who would oppress us. Unfortunately the word has not gotten out to our schools.
Another Victory for Student Speech

Last week we received a call from a parent in Colorado Springs, Colorado, who contacted us because her daughter, Kaytlin, had been asked to step down from the high school newspaper if she continued to include Christian themes in her articles. One of the articles that Kaytlin submitted had discussed the great work of Operation Christmas Child of Samaritan’s Purse. This program by Franklin Graham provides gift-filled shoe boxes and the Good News of God’s love to many children throughout the world.

I immediately had our lawyers go to work on this situation because Kaytlin was being unconstitutionally discriminated against because of her Christian faith. The First Amendment protects Kaytlin in this situation. In fact, three years ago, we were at the Supreme Court of the United States on behalf of students in the campaign finance case, McConnell v. FEC. In that case, a unanimous Supreme Court recognized once again that minors have the right to freedom of speech under the Constitution. The Court in the FEC case cited the famous Tinker decision which held that “[i]t can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate.” Kaytlin’s First Amendment rights were implicated by this attempt of censorship.

We gave Kaytlin’s mother materials available on the ACLJ website. Kaytlin’s mother had a meeting with the principal and the teacher who oversees the newspaper. After reviewing our materials, the principal instructed the teacher that Kaytlin must be allowed to incorporate her faith into the articles she writes for the newspaper. We are all pleased with the outcome of this case.
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Does the “separation of church and state” forbid religious displays on government property?

NO.
Some officials mistakenly believe that the Constitution mandates that no religious activity can take place on public property, even when private citizens are involved. The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that the Establishment Clause does not require a state entity to exclude private religious speech from a public forum. It is, in fact, peculiar to say that government “promotes” or “favors” a religious display by giving it the same access to a public forum that all other displays enjoy. And as a matter of Establishment Clause jurisprudence, we have consistently held that it is no violation for government to enact neutral policies that happen to benefit religion.

Capitol Square Review & Advisory Bd. v. Pinette, 515 U.S. 753, 763-64 (1995).
In one of the most powerful proclamations upholding the rights of private religious speech in a public forum, the Supreme Court stated:

The contrary view . . . exiles private religious speech to a realm of less-protected expression heretofore inhabited only by sexually explicit displays and commercial speech. . . . It will be a sad day when this Court casts piety in with pornography, and finds the First Amendment more hospitable to private expletives, . . . than to private prayers. This would be merely bizarre were religious speech simply as protected by the Constitution as other forms of private speech; but it is outright perverse when one considers that private religious expression receives preferential treatment under the Free Exercise Clause. It is no answer to say that the Establishment Clause tempers religious speech. By its terms that Clause applies only to the words and acts of government. It was never meant, and has never been read by this Court, to serve as an impediment to purely private religious speech connected to the State only through its occurrence in a public forum.
This is excerpted from the holiday displays information letter.

If atheists maintain that their expression is not religious, and if it cannot be legally determined to be religious expression, then atheistic expression is subordinate to religious expression in the protection afforded by the First Amendment.

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Religious belief for a president means nothing to me. I want a president with a strong military background.
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Decision making??????? Do I want someone who believes in supernatural wothout evidence to have finger on a nuclear button? It's all about decision making man! You believe in things that there is no evidence for*, and you want to make life and death decisions. Are you kidding me?
This comment is prejudicial and stupid. You're saying that anyone that has a religious faith cannot be trusted to exercise good judgement and integrity. An atheist has just as much propensity for stupidity as a religious person.

You can hold up Stalin as a "great" example of an atheist leader that exercised wonderful judgement, integrity, and compassion.
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This comment is prejudicial and stupid. You're saying that anyone that has a religious faith cannot be trusted to exercise good judgement and integrity. An atheist has just as much propensity for stupidity as a religious person.

You can hold up Stalin as a "great" example of an atheist leader that exercised wonderful judgement, integrity, and compassion.
The difference is that Stalin killed millions that opposed him inside USSR, and Bush killed hundreds of thousands of innocent in some country way way far from the USA, both for their own ideals...
Both are cold bloody murderers in my eyes...
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Stalin killed millions that opposed him inside USSR... cold bloody murder.
I agree with this^^ part of your statement. Why don't you speak out more strongly about Stalin more of the time?

I see in your sig line that you are in Boca Raton, FL. Did you recently move there? I thought you lived in Texas...?
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This comment is prejudicial and stupid. You're saying that anyone that has a religious faith cannot be trusted to exercise good judgement and integrity. An atheist has just as much propensity for stupidity as a religious person.

You can hold up Stalin as a "great" example of an atheist leader that exercised wonderful judgement, integrity, and compassion.
I think you are just angry because of the poll results. I'll get back to debate, just kind of busy now with my secular activities.

P.S. I would be very concerned if the person with a lot of power like POTUS believed that Harry Potter is real.
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Completely OT, but

1. Why are there so many different religions?

2. Why does one person believe that his/her religion is the right one?

These questions do not lend themselves to simple, written answers, but require a tremendous amount of careful, quiet contemplation. Perhaps while staring at the night sky, and/or listening to leaves rustling in the trees.

In other words, these ideas aren't meant to be discussed, but considered strongly.

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