[BzsBimmer]

Originally Posted by NotSharocks

I'm glad I didn't sell any of my M3s for even a G8X.

Holy shit this is the end.

What a way to go BMW, buck toothed and fat.

This had me laughing.

[pizza240]

I was expecting a hybrid, like the M5, except with i6 instead of V8 of course.

If it's electric, then I just hope it drives like an M3, and I'm not too worried.

But BMW, if you are reading this, please allow for RWD mode and keep the 10-stage TC (or do something similar).

I care way more about sticking my ass out than I do about acceleration figures.

[m2for2]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Yes, how dare they charge you $100 a year extra on a car that generates no gas tax, and also gave you a $2,000 state tax credit on purchase and also possibly a $7,500 federal tax credit on purchase.

Insane indeed.

Didn't get the state rebate as I waited more than 30 days to file. Didn't get the $7,500 credit as it wasn't available at the time.

Many states $100 per year is literally enough to register a brand new M3 every year in perpetuity. Just saying that this place is a ripoff.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by m2for2

There is no reason why we pay such high registration fees. I've lived in other states and registration is consistently <$100 per year (even for expensive cars).

California even charged me to have a veteran emblem printed on my drivers license.

The roads here are terrible and we far pay more to the DMV than any other state.

Lastly, they say they want "mass EV adoption" - even going as far to ban gasoline powered car sales. But then they add an extra 3 figure annual tax onto them every year?

Just my thoughts having lived here 25 years. Can't wait to get back outta this dump haha.

Yes there is. Despite having the highest income and sales taxes in the country, the state still can't get its act together on spending, so we have to pay absurd amounts for DMV fees. Have you ever looked into the breakdown of a traffic ticket? The actual fine for say 10-15 over is only $100-150. There's another $150-300 of BS added on to it. I last looked this about 5 years ago when I last got a shockingly cheap ticket at 10 over in the Eastern Sierras (it would have been nearly double in LA), so could be a bit dated, but I bet it holds true today.

[m2for2]

Originally Posted by guy_incognito1420

I pay less than $100/year in a “highway tax” on my i4.

I would spend that a week on gas so you might want to double check your math.

If you think that $100 per year tax isn't going to 5x within the next decade, well you probably haven't lived here very long haha

[BzsBimmer]

Originally Posted by m2for2

There is no reason why we pay such high registration fees. I've lived in other states and registration is consistently <$100 per year (even for expensive cars).

California even charged me to have a veteran emblem printed on my drivers license.

The roads here are terrible and we far pay more to the DMV than any other state.

Lastly, they say they want "mass EV adoption" - even going as far to ban gasoline powered car sales. But then they add an extra 3 figure annual tax onto them every year?

Just my thoughts having lived here 25 years. Can't wait to get back outta this dump haha.

1. Thanks for serving. Really mean that.
2. Bye Felecia
Hahaha

I’ve lived in CA for over 40 years. Grew up here. I’ve traveled across almost every state in the US for work. Would I move? Probably. Almost pulled the trigger once but the sellers didn’t want to accept my “low ball offer” sheesh.

Yes, reg fees may be higher here in CA but for someone who’s lived here for 25 years, there’s a lot of things in CA that are overpriced. C’mon.

The roads here are not that bad. I’ve seen and felt worse. The sheer number of vehicles and trucks that move across our main arteries is also probably higher than some other states.

Some states, from what I can recollect, also charge a higher sales tax or sellers tax on vehicles whereas in CA they don’t charge a sellers tax (I am probably stating the terminology incorrectly).

[m2for2]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

Yes there is. Despite having the highest income and sales taxes in the country, the state still can't get its act together on spending, so we have to pay absurd amounts for DMV fees. Have you ever looked into the breakdown of a traffic ticket? The actual fine for say 10-15 over is only $100-150. There's another $150-300 of BS added on to it. I last looked this about 5 years ago when I last got a shockingly cheap ticket at 10 over in the Eastern Sierras (it would have been nearly double in LA), so could be a bit dated, but I bet it holds true today.

I actually completely agree with you. When I say "no reason" I mean that the state spends absurd amounts of money. They then pass this cost onto their middle class residents via taxes, fees, etc.

Hence why the state is hemorrhaging people to TX, FL, etc.

The state, despite their massive revenues from taxes, fees, and fines, still ran a huge budget deficit last year, lol.

Got a parking ticket yesterday for $112.

[m2for2]

Originally Posted by BzsBimmer

1. Thanks for serving. Really mean that.
2. Bye Felecia
Hahaha

I’ve lived in CA for over 40 years. Grew up here. I’ve traveled across almost every state in the US for work. Would I move? Probably. Almost pulled the trigger once but the sellers didn’t want to accept my “low ball offer” sheesh.

Yes, reg fees may be higher here in CA but for someone who’s lived here for 25 years, there’s a lot of things in CA that are overpriced. C’mon.

The roads here are not that bad. I’ve seen and felt worse. The sheer number of vehicles and trucks that move across our main arteries is also probably higher than some other states.

Some states, from what I can recollect, also charge a higher sales tax or sellers tax on vehicles whereas in CA they don’t charge a sellers tax (I am probably stating the terminology incorrectly).

1) thanks man

2) I think I know what you're talking about regarding sellers tax. They only make the seller pay capital gains tax if they sell the car for more than they bought it for (in CA).

They do charge the new owner of a used vehicle their typical 10% tax though. That's why so many people lie on the title forms and say they sold their 20,000 mile F80 for "$7,000" lol

[BzsBimmer]

I look forward in seeing what BMW M will bring to the table if there is a variant that will be all-electric. My concern will be cost as the current platform has really increased from the prior platform. I’m not saying that it’s a bad value, but I’m sure many configured models nearly tipped the scales close to $100k.

With the EV M, the introductory cost to play could surpass $100k just to get four wheels and a steering wheel.

[bunker]

it never ceases to amaze me how many people respond to these things with "no way will I ever buy an EV" and "if we don't buy them they won't make them"

y'all are shouting at clouds

you want to drive an ICE? buy one now and hang onto it. and drive it until they either stop selling gas or gas ends up at $25 a gallon. they're going away. and not just for passenger cars. when I was at Caterpillar in 2008 we were already working on phasing them out. for heavy duty purposes. trucks. mining equipment. trains. so don't tell me the small-dick F250 guys are gonna get to keep their ICEs. that's just ignorant.

are they gonna be gone literally tomorrow? of course not. but we're closer than we've ever been. and it's happening. and your kids will never know the difference.

[12nine]

Originally Posted by HiFi

Id say they will have this ready to go as G80 ends production.
Im sure its going to be good, but its going to be different, but the reality is that there are 3 years left to get the last ICE M3

There is more time left, just read the whole article.

[Downeaster1]

I like that EVs are becoming more popular, but in a way, I'm glad the G80 was so horrible looking and pushed me to a different brand - it makes the news of an electric M3 hurt a bit less.

[BzsBimmer]

Originally Posted by Downeaster1

I like that EVs are becoming more popular, but in a way, I'm glad the G80 was so horrible looking and pushed me to a different brand - it makes the news of an electric M3 hurt a bit less.

What brand? I don’t know of any mainstream brand that is not headed in the same direction some way or another. Don’t say Porsche because they have an electric 911 variant being developed.

[PeregrineFalcon]

EV's are one of the biggest scams, and people should rebel against it, this is disgusting. M shouldn't be all electric, especially not the M3!!!

[BzsBimmer]

Originally Posted by PeregrineFalcon

EV's are one of the biggest scams, and people should rebel against it, this is disgusting. M shouldn't be all electric, especially not the M3!!!

How is it one of the biggest scams? What other scams are you ranking it with? Enron level or?
I mean there’s a physical product, growing infrastructure, and evidence of multi-brand adoption? Surely the heads of almost every single automotive corporation are not drinking the same Kool-Aid, or even from the same glass?

Is it over hyped maybe? For sure. As with anything transformational and disruptive, there will be a constraint somewhere.

Mainstream EV adoption hasn’t been around as long as ICE and still relatively infantile in the grand scheme of things. People don’t like change and are typically against it and while I can appreciate your opinion and many here’s dislike, I find the “scam” statement humorous.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

I don't know about that, Mat.

They said the same thing about the advent of automatics in sports cars (all sports cars should only be manual), but many enthusiasts got over that, especially with the advent of the DCT.

The purity argument is always subjective.

And since we know Porsche, Ferrari, BMW, Maserati, Alfa Romeo and Tesla are all developing EV sports cars, there could be some gems out of the bunch.

And oh, what about that 1,888 bhp and 1,696 lb-ft Rimac Nevera?

The world is changing, and it's hard for us to accept.

But the advent of quick-gear-changing automatics, turbochargers, and a plethora of driver aids hav also changed the world of sports cars so...

World has changed you are right cars are faster with dual clutch gearbox, but are they better to drive?

Most of theses new technologies were out in place to either meet new laws requirement or to chase numbers.

This is a very popular tactics use by the ev crowd using numbers about acceleration times or power figures. Many times the most important factor of a car is how wide is your smile after driving it that should be the most important number.

To summarize it let’s see what Gordon Murray has to say about it.
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ray-t-50-tech/

How does that fit in this new landscape of supercar hybrids and electrics?

The F1 was very analog, very involving. I wanted the T.50 to be like that, a driver's car. It has manual steering, but low-speed electric assist so you can park easily. A mechanical hand brake. The manual transmission. Room for suitcases. The customers for this car, they asked for these things. The other [hypercars], there's nobody just focusing on the driving, they are always chasing numbers, 1600 horsepower. You can disguise a two-ton car, but you can't change the laws of physics.

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by Buketz

I agree with everything you said but I just still want to be able to go vroom vroom! Ya know?

Many of us enthusiasts want that too. So, we should all start buying our favorite ICE cars now, because we're going to really miss them when they're gone.

And they're also likely to be worth quite a bit of money in the future, even with higher miles.

[guy_incognito1420]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

Maybe this is better said by Steve Jobs: “Some people say, 'Give the customers what they want.' But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do. People don't know what they want until you show it to them. That's why I never rely on market research. Our task is to read things that are not yet on the page.”

This trend continues with the latest iPhone15.

It has a USB-C port know, truly revolutionary.

Nothing informative or useful in my post, but this comment did remind me of how much hype used to surround Apple with Steve Jobs at the helm.

[MT6]

Not too fast, I think ICE continues for next Gen M3

EV Infrastructure is simply not ready in USA

https://youtu.be/YqVPbJ-V4eg?si=L101mDl5GOW8g8m_

[guy_incognito1420]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

I'm sorry, but I cannot disagree with this take enough. The brands are what they are. There is little crossover. Porsche makes no product to compete with 80% or more of BMW's offering.

Where is their G80 competitor?

It's a joke on the stereotype that those who buy M cars eventually move on to a 911.

[guy_incognito1420]

Originally Posted by m2for2

Many states $100 per year is literally enough to register a brand new M3 every year in perpetuity. Just saying that this place is a ripoff.

Avoid Virginia then.

We pay personal property tax on our car. Tax on my i4 this year is around $2,000 on the X3 it's like $400 or something like that.

We get lower sales tax than other states but the tax man will get their money some how.

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

World has changed you are right cars are faster with dual clutch gearbox, but are they better to drive?

Most of theses new technologies were out in place to either meet new laws requirement or to chase numbers.

This is a very popular tactics use by the ev crowd using numbers about acceleration times or power figures. Many times the most important factor of a car is how wide is your smile after driving it that should be the most important number.

To summarize it let’s see what Gordon Murray has to say about it.
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ray-t-50-tech/

How does that fit in this new landscape of supercar hybrids and electrics?

The F1 was very analog, very involving. I wanted the T.50 to be like that, a driver's car. It has manual steering, but low-speed electric assist so you can park easily. A mechanical hand brake. The manual transmission. Room for suitcases. The customers for this car, they asked for these things. The other [hypercars], there's nobody just focusing on the driving, they are always chasing numbers, 1600 horsepower. You can disguise a two-ton car, but you can't change the laws of physics.

There won't be many analog driver's cars built moving forward, and the ones that are will certainly cost 2 arms and a leg (out of the range for most of us). Even the BRZ/86-types will be converting to hybrid and EV tech soon, so new, affordable analog cars will soon be non-existent.

The good news is that we have plenty of current generation or later-model analog cars to choose from, in all body shapes, from a variety of manufacturers. So pick the ones you love most, and buy them, NOW.

Instead of us being grumpy about the future, we should be reveling in the present, and stockpiling our favorite cars in the next few years.

The new & older Porsches, new & older BMWs, Camaros, Blackwings and older V models, Alfa Romeo Quads, Miata, BRZs, etc. - we're going to miss them when they're gone. And they're almost gone from production.

Get 'em while you can, because it's a special experience that will be missed.

The world will move on.

Let's become those guys pulling their 50's and 60's hot rods out at Cars and Coffees across the country, because that will soon be us....remembering and treasuring the past.