01-24-2019, 11:59 AM | #177 | |
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Tesla's aggressiveness is in engineering. Just check out wind tunnel tests and Cd to understand exterior design. Give credit where it's due. Also, the latest bmw models are not much to look at either. The G20 exterior design is very soft and bloated. 1-2 series are fwd with soft design and are designed to cost and mass market appeal, just like Corolla. Shall I continue? It is very difficult to design a vehicle that appeals to a wide spectrum of customers and survive as a company while developing new technology and fight stealerships at the same time. Have you developed and successfully marketed, and sold anything? |
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01-24-2019, 12:32 PM | #178 | ||
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People forking over thousands for the privilege and cool factor associated with Tesla, need to understand what they are getting themselves into.
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01-24-2019, 01:56 PM | #179 |
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Just read that PG&E may increase electricity rate by 5x to pay for additional workers to implement vegetation work tentatively mandated by federal court. If that materializes it can put a dumper on EV growth in CA.
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01-24-2019, 02:55 PM | #180 |
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Please update your talking points. The ones from early 2018 don't really work anymore.
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01-24-2019, 04:02 PM | #181 | |
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01-24-2019, 04:29 PM | #183 | |
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01-24-2019, 04:34 PM | #184 | |
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01-24-2019, 04:59 PM | #185 | |
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At the same time, QC issues are easier to fix than fundamentals, e.g. it is unclear if issues like subpar assembly(e.g. missing welds) and chassis issues(e.g. multiple pieces to construct wheel wells) are fixed or not. |
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01-24-2019, 05:04 PM | #187 |
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One of the weirdest things in this thread is that Tesla opponents here keep hammering on the same issues that simply don't exist anymore, while at the same time there are still other, potentially more serious problems, which no one mentions because they require diving slightly deeper into the subject.
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01-24-2019, 06:27 PM | #188 | |||
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They have to put the product on the market as soon as possible to generate revenue and then fix things here and there. Every car maker does this. S/W companies do it all the time. Look at the N54 nightmare when 335 came out. Ford has been building cars for a century and they have the same issues. |
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01-24-2019, 07:44 PM | #189 | |
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Is it all OK with the latest shipped products, or battery makers plus the EV industry(Telsa and everyone else pushing BEV) are clueless how to fix it and just hope stats are on their side. |
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01-25-2019, 11:36 AM | #191 | |
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01-25-2019, 12:29 PM | #192 | |
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Without a timed event, say, a lease end, and/or current car dying, it seemed reasonable to wait(including Model 3 reservation holder aiming for base car). My take is that as Model 3 in US starts to level off, the discounts off current prices will continue, e.g. my guess is by the time base Modle 3 rolls off, it can be less than $35k MSRP to equalize loss of fed credits. |
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01-25-2019, 02:59 PM | #193 |
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There's no real reason for Tesla to do that until someone else offers a comparable car in the same mid-$30K range. Of course, there's still the question of what a non-Premium Model 3 will look like, but unless it gets seriously decontented it's still going to be price competitive even at $35K with no incentives.
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01-25-2019, 03:14 PM | #194 | |
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At $9k savings the pendulum can swing in favor of Leaf if Tesla chooses to stick with $35k with $0 incentives. |
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01-25-2019, 03:21 PM | #195 |
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GM is also losing the fed incentives, trailing Tesla's by one quarter.
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01-25-2019, 03:44 PM | #196 | |
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GM should drop prices on their EVs too once the fed credit starts to phase out. https://insideevs.com/top-6-automake...-credit-limit/ Last edited by bavarianride; 01-25-2019 at 04:18 PM.. |
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I don't understand why so much hate on Tesla Model 3? Look is subjective, its not that aggressive compared with a BMW but has anyone drove one before jumping to conclusions?
The base price in Denmark for a 320d G20 is same as a new Tesla 3 long range. So no chance for BMW to compete at that price level. |
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