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      07-26-2020, 02:26 PM   #23
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that was a bland experience. I'm sure he is exceptional at his job of developing an exciting product but unfortunately not the right person for selling it.

The pennzoil commercial with the CS was WAY more exciting...and they are selling a lubricant.
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Okay it's not a spectacular video, but man you guys are hating and bitching about everything these days.
I wonder if the general state of the world in 2020 is contributing but I agree and have felt the same negative tone predominating on the forum lately
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Very interesting, I wonder howe much wider the tires are. Seems there is less carbon as well in the engine bay. Will the performance be greater than the size of the grills? I look forward to trading my m2.
Shmee150 already revealed that in his testdrive and the video in the OP also has a shot of the front tires.

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Mr Dirk Hacker who is in this video is an outstanding person and means well. I had the honor of Mr Hacker as my instructor for 2 days of Ring training and he is a highly regarded engineer within BMW AG and M. Enough of the nonsense.
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Maybe they shouldn't be increasing horsepower so much. I'd take less horsepower over AWD any day of the week. People are too obsessed with 0-60 numbers that there willing to dumb down a car, the new M5 is a perfect example of this.
Ya I agree but the market doesn't see it this way. For example, just look at how mod-centric this and other BMW boards are. It's all about MOARR POWAA!
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Seems like a lot of people only judge the video based on entertainment value...

If the video is not entertaining and have lots of sideways action it must be wothless...

You guys miss out on the very interesting information and insight into the specs and philosophy behind the new generation.
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The new M5 can get good track times and super low 0-60 numbers, my problem is more with how soulless and numb that car has become, it feels like BMW focused too much on getting the best times out of it that it compromised the car, its too easy in a sense, there is no feel or feedback, but that is just my opinion.
"King of the Autobahn" is the purpose behind the M5.

It was never meant to be track-centric.
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Mr Dirk Hacker who is in this video is an outstanding person and means well. I had the honor of Mr Hacker as my instructor for 2 days of Ring training and he is a highly regarded engineer within BMW AG and M. Enough of the nonsense.
I mean, maybe if he had shown some type of emotion or told us an exciting fact, he'd be getting less flak. He could have just said "Hey we're doing the final tuning of the new M3 and M4' instead of to me what felt like rambling for the sake of rambling.

As an engineer, you're suppose to be excited about what you've created. The dude didn't even crack a smile.
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Maybe they shouldn't be increasing horsepower so much. I'd take less horsepower over AWD any day of the week. People are too obsessed with 0-60 numbers that there willing to dumb down a car, the new M5 is a perfect example of this.
I agree, at a certain point, you get to a point of too much horsepower (yeah I said it.) where it just becomes a number when most of these cars are drive on public streets/roads. While I'm amazed at what cars like the M5, X5 M, X6 M can do given their size and weight, give me a car with anywhere from 250-300HP with a well tuned chassis and I'll be happy.
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I agree, at a certain point, you get to a point of too much horsepower (yeah I said it.) where it just becomes a number when most of these cars are drive on public streets/roads. While I'm amazed at what cars like the M5, X5 M, X6 M can do given their size and weight, give me a car with anywhere from 250-300HP with a well tuned chassis and I'll be happy.
Agree, I think AMG started this horsepower war and honestly its gone so far that the power is just unusable. While the first few times of doing launch control is fun, I care more about how a car feels on a backroad. There's a reason why vehicles like the Miata and BRZ just bring so much joy despite the low horsepower outputs.
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Ya I agree but the market doesn't see it this way. For example, just look at how mod-centric this and other BMW boards are. It's all about MOARR POWAA!
I know, that's why I said its a bit sad the amount of people that prioritize 0-60 above all else. Electric cars only made things worse, everyone is chasing power instead of feedback and engagement. When I see posts about people claiming 4 second cars to be slow it just sounds so ridiculous.
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We get to see something new

Edit: We don't have to always shred tires in videos to feel better, it was very informative to hear what he has to say!
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I mean, maybe if he had shown some type of emotion or told us an exciting fact, he'd be getting less flack. He could have just said "Hey we're doing the final tuning of the new M3 and M4' instead of to me what felt like rambling for the sake of rambling.

As an engineer, you're suppose to be excited about what you've created. The dude didn't even crack a smile.
exactly this! what is new and exciting about it? how does it feel? any details about brakes? What about the weight and cg, chassis? engine sound?? Christ anything!!??

This is a video from the top of M!!?? really???

He looks like he is sitting at the bus stataion reading an article about cooking asparagus...
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I know, that's why I said its a bit sad the amount of people that prioritize 0-60 above all else. Electric cars only made things worse, everyone is chasing power instead of feedback and engagement. When I see posts about people claiming 4 second cars to be slow it just sounds so ridiculous.
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Surprisingly, the melting continues. Seems most here forgot that the M in BMW stands for Motor, as in engine. It's not called BDW - Bayerische Design Werke.

This car is hated for it's looks by ppl that apparently couldn't give two hoots for the engineering and technical prowess.

Some soul searching is advised. Seriously!
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About as exciting as a sex toy with dead batteries.
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Are you sure that's not the head of Prius development??
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I wonder if the general state of the world in 2020 is contributing but I agree and have felt the same negative tone predominating on the forum lately
Well they keep giving us these pointless videos which although meant to obviously get us all excited actually just tell us nothing and make us more frustrated.

The guy didnít even seem excited about his own product.
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Shmee150 already revealed that in his testdrive and the video in the OP also has a shot of the front tires.

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Those nominal width mean squat to the real rubber on the road...
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Those nominal width mean squat to the real rubber on the road...
It always amazes me how most judge a car by the 0-100 stats, rather than just the whole driving experience, whether it's road or track.
The truth of the matter being that 99% will be daily driving.
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