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      12-01-2018, 05:49 AM   #89
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All you guys with small sons that are so worried they won't get to experience a manual should stop and think for a minute. By the time they are ready to drive, they more than likely won't care about cars. This new generation is all about saving the world and going electric. They will be the first to boycott the combustion engine mark my words. In 13 years my boy will be 18 there may very well be as many electric cars on the road than gas powered. If not then maybe a few years later. It's all over, guys. By 2050 combustion engines will be banned. I submit to you that we are the last of the Mohicans!!! We are the last ones to have grown up adoring gas powered cars. The new generation will not be interested anymore.
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Maybe it's time to get a first-in-line deposit down for a M2CSL.
Lol, Good luck finding a dealer that doesn't already have a list of guys with deposits for the CSL. I'm 2nd on a list at my dealership behind a guy who put his deposit down in 2016 before the first OG F87 even arrived in North America. Last time I checked there are 4 more behind me for a total of 6 and there's no way that dealership is getting 6 allocations. Also no guarantee that (IF made) the CSL will even be offered in MT...in which case I will likely give up my spot to the next guy. I like driving manual, I do have an auto in my DD SUV, but it's always nice to climb into the M2 and row, row, row my speedboat not so gently down the stream if you know what I mean.
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      12-01-2018, 09:11 AM   #91
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Someone ask him if they're putting a separate auto rev match off button.
THIS. I hate this feature and it kept me away from a MT F80/82.
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      12-01-2018, 10:00 AM   #92
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Does it really matter anymore. Torque monster turbo engines with diesel like low end grunt in a digital driving environment with computer controlled rev match shifting - using a manual in modern cars is hardly any more tactile than flapping a paddle.

It's not like the old days, with high strung NA engines that you get to wind out and have to heel/toe downshift to keep in the power band.
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Not so - nearly 50% of M2 production has been manual. Currently there are 362 M2s for sale. Of those, 209 are manual and 153 are DCTs - i.e. automated manuals.
This is regarding M4 models NOT M2s.

For the record, more M2s in Germany are with DCT than manuals, significantly as well.
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Quite the contrary, I think the M3/4 owners w/ manual tranny's are keeping them.

For example well over half the M2's were manual transmissions.

Look up the numbers it's higher than you realize.
That is the other part we can not calculate, how many manuals are NOT for sale or on sale.

Valid point.
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      12-01-2018, 11:58 AM   #95
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Now if only they could make it sound good. The F82 is one of the worst sounding cars in this class!
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      12-01-2018, 12:26 PM   #96
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It does not matter, people will not buy the manual...

Food for thought, there are 82 M3s (F80s) for sale, only 2 of them are manual.

There are 179 M4s for sale ATM, 13 of them are manual.

Manual is dying? people are not buying, especially when the autos are delivering so much more...."performance" when compared.^

Personally, as much as i love manuals....i think they suit the last get M cars much better (the NA engines), something about shifting at 8K+ rpms yourself is much more satisfying, it suited the car. New gen....manuals feel and even sound a bit off.
Not sure where you live but here in bay area I see more than 50 % of dealers cars are Manual....
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Now if only they could make it sound good. The F82 is one of the worst sounding cars in this class!
You don't say. I don't think that's been brought up before. N55 for life right.
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Here's the full quote for anyone who doesn't want to read the whole article.
Perceived demand for Manual Transmission: 99%
Reality of actual take rate: 1%
Enough said.
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Perceived demand for Manual Transmission: 99%
Reality of actual take rate: 1%
Enough said.
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Someone ask him if they're putting a separate auto rev match off button.
X1000. This is much needed
Yeah, that would be great. I had to keep mine in sport, so I can have more engagement and fun to drive.
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Here's the full quote for anyone who doesn't want to read the whole article.
Perceived demand for Manual Transmission: 99%
Reality of actual take rate: 1%
Enough said.
Wrong. Your ignorance: 100%
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I had a fully loaded 650i. Beautiful looking car, luxury interior, and a nice twin turbo V8. I got so bored driving the car. Now, I know I'm in a small percentage group, but I need to feel connected to the car I'm driving. I bought one my dream cars -- e39 M5. The best M5 ever made IMHO. The 650i doesn't even compare to the balance, engine, and handling of this car. Yes, I know the 6 wasn't a M car, but engine, feel, steering is so much better. I finally realized I can't go back to autos and forced induction engines. There will always be faster M cars with more torque and automated features, but I don't think they'll ever compare to the older models.
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      12-01-2018, 04:05 PM   #103
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Great news. Now can we get a real handbrake - thanks.
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All you guys with small sons that are so worried they won't get to experience a manual should stop and think for a minute. By the time they are ready to drive, they more than likely won't care about cars. This new generation is all about saving the world and going electric. They will be the first to boycott the combustion engine mark my words. In 13 years my boy will be 18 there may very well be as many electric cars on the road than gas powered. If not then maybe a few years later. It's all over, guys. By 2050 combustion engines will be banned. I submit to you that we are the last of the Mohicans!!! We are the last ones to have grown up adoring gas powered cars. The new generation will not be interested anymore.
My nephew just turned 18 and doesn't care to drive.

He asked for a game console for his 18 birthday lol.
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My nephew just turned 18 and doesn't care to drive.

He asked for a game console for his 18 birthday lol.
Exactly my point. It's all over.
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Not sure where you live but here in bay area I see more than 50 % of dealers cars are Manual....
Im in Germany.
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This is regarding M4 models NOT M2s.

For the record, more M2s in Germany are with DCT than manuals, significantly as well.
You are wrong. This is from the current list of M2s for sale in the USA on cars.com.
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In my opinion, MT is more like a belief to the enthusiasts nowadays, but in the business sense, MT models should have been dead years ago. I think BMW does so just to satisfy those enthusiasts because their attitudes and reviews to the driving experience are somewhat very important for the business image of BMW in the high-end market competition.
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So wrong! There are plenty of people out there that will pay extra for a manual. I’ve sold several over the years and always got more than an equivalent auto trans car.
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My nephew just turned 18 and doesn't care to drive.

He asked for a game console for his 18 birthday lol.
That's because mommy and daddy drive and do everything for him
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