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      09-20-2019, 03:58 PM   #45
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C43 > "M"340i
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C63S = M3 >>>>>>>>M340i >C43

And yes I own both a C63S and an M3. Both great cars.
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the m340 is insanely fast. People dont believe until they actually drive one and they go wow. I can't even imagine what the M3 will be and why you wouldn't ever need that much power lol but we all do and want it!!
I have 510hp and it's not too much...
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He liked the 3's interior and digital dials.... Seriously? I am a BMW fan through and through but those things SUCK ASS.
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I have 510hp and it's not too much...
I have had a few SC Ms over the years as well as my M4s that have been dialed in and I agree with you but in all reality you dont need it on the street but fun to have!
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C43 > "M"340i
M340i > C43 "AMG"
"M"340i > C43 "AMG"

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He liked the 3's interior and digital dials.... Seriously? I am a BMW fan through and through but those things SUCK ASS.
Dials are personal preference things really. The dials for me are kinda meh, but the interior is fine IMO, basically par for the class.

In a perfect world, I would take the digital dials from the C43/63, the seats from Audi, and keep the center display from BMW.
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Ouch I'd hate to be the dealer who bought that off you, good on ya!
Maybe dealers just easily toy with you...
Actually, scratch that "maybe" - it is obvious...
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I love my M4 with the AWE but a C63 will kill me
Oh, and to add to my previous comment, seems like you're a beginner driver, too...
Why an M if it is too much for ya?
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I love my M4 with the AWE but a C63 will kill me
Oh, and to add to my previous comment, seems like you're a beginner driver, too...
Why an M if it is too much for ya?
Beginner driver ? Too much for me? Lol what ? Are you mentally ok?
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the part that really resonates with me from the video is the cheaper quality / inferior feeling of the C43 interiors. BMW has maintained their standard there. New CLA 45 AMG S and C43 have gone down hill with the interior quality.
I wouldn't say the G20 doesn't also exhibit some cheaper quality aspects to the interior, the interior could still improve many ways especially in materials.
improvements are always possible. just my observation on looking these newer Merc models and they seem to be compromising on interior quality and is very noticeable.
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I have 510hp and it's not too much...
I have had a few SC Ms over the years as well as my M4s that have been dialed in and I agree with you but in all reality you dont need it on the street but fun to have!
Very true 👍
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Beginner driver ? Too much for me? Lol what ? Are you mentally ok?
Are you?
If you love your skills so much, ask yourself why is C63 "killing" you.
I have no trouble with the AMG, far from "killing" me...
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Beginner driver ? Too much for me? Lol what ? Are you mentally ok?
Are you?
If you love your skills so much, ask yourself why is C63 "killing" you.
I have no trouble with the AMG, far from "killing" me...
I was talking about their exhaust. Learn to read where the conversation started from.
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Meh ... put them on a track an see which handles better ... that'd be the Merc... The C43 is an AMG product (car setup to be a sport car) minus few thing... the M340 is just a 3 series with a bigger engine, not much else and ultimately it's not setup as a sport car... It's still very good and capable of course but the feel is so different.
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Meh ... put them on a track an see which handles better ... that'd be the Merc... The C43 is an AMG product (car setup to be a sport car) minus few thing... the M340 is just a 3 series with a bigger engine, not much else and ultimately it's not setup as a sport car... It's still very good and capable of course but the feel is so different.
... Didn't BMW have a ton of journalists go to a track? You know, Portimao... Pretty sure most of them raved about it.

Also, if by AMG you mean Alabama Motors Group, then sure, it's an AMG product.
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Meh ... put them on a track an see which handles better ... that'd be the Merc... The C43 is an AMG product (car setup to be a sport car) minus few thing... the M340 is just a 3 series with a bigger engine, not much else and ultimately it's not setup as a sport car... It's still very good and capable of course but the feel is so different.
... Didn't BMW have a ton of journalists go to a track? You know, Portimao... Pretty sure most of them raved about it.

Also, if by AMG you mean Alabama Motors Group, then sure, it's an AMG product.
Yes, and at least one of the o line reviews has already commented that the M340 is ultimately better on track than the C43. Having said that, the reality is these cars are very close so it comes down to personnel preferences.
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Meh ... put them on a track an see which handles better ... that'd be the Merc... The C43 is an AMG product (car setup to be a sport car) minus few thing... the M340 is just a 3 series with a bigger engine, not much else and ultimately it's not setup as a sport car... It's still very good and capable of course but the feel is so different.
Wrong on all accounts, the 340 is faster and handles better than the C43 and taking them to the track will be even worse for the C43. Just so you know the C43 is not a real AMG either in the same way the M340i is not a real M3. However, both are direct competitors and one happens to sound better, looks is subjective so we won't get into that. The fact is the 3 series wins in performance. lol at C43 set up to be a sport car, who knew ....joke of the day.
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Meh ... put them on a track an see which handles better ... that'd be the Merc... The C43 is an AMG product (car setup to be a sport car) minus few thing... the M340 is just a 3 series with a bigger engine, not much else and ultimately it's not setup as a sport car... It's still very good and capable of course but the feel is so different.
Wrong on all accounts, the 340 is faster and handles better than the C43 and taking them to the track will be even worse for the C43. Just so you know the C43 is not a real AMG either in the same way the M340i is not a real M3. However, both are direct competitors and one happens to sound better, looks is subjective so we won't get into that. The fact is the 3 series wins in performance. lol at C43 set up to be a sport car, who knew ....joke of the day.
I would think that the C43 could do well on a track. Its a very good car with good power and handling. But lets think about this for a second,... of the general M340/C43 population, how many people will realistically tracking their car often. I would think if you are tracking, you would just step up to a full fledged M3/4/C63. In the end these are more likely to be daily drivers, so arguing about which will perform best on a track will likely not matter to most.
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Meh ... put them on a track an see which handles better ... that'd be the Merc... The C43 is an AMG product (car setup to be a sport car) minus few thing... the M340 is just a 3 series with a bigger engine, not much else and ultimately it's not setup as a sport car... It's still very good and capable of course but the feel is so different.
Wrong on all accounts, the 340 is faster and handles better than the C43 and taking them to the track will be even worse for the C43. Just so you know the C43 is not a real AMG either in the same way the M340i is not a real M3. However, both are direct competitors and one happens to sound better, looks is subjective so we won't get into that. The fact is the 3 series wins in performance. lol at C43 set up to be a sport car, who knew ....joke of the day.
I would think that the C43 could do well on a track. Its a very good car with good power and handling. But lets think about this for a second,... of the general M340/C43 population, how many people will realistically tracking their car often. I would think if you are tracking, you would just step up to a full fledged M3/4/C63. In the end these are more likely to be daily drivers, so arguing about which will perform best on a track will likely not matter to most.
The funny thing is the C43 handles better and is much stiffer like a proper sports car , not a Lexus. I've driven both and owned a C43.
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Meh ... put them on a track an see which handles better ... that'd be the Merc... The C43 is an AMG product (car setup to be a sport car) minus few thing... the M340 is just a 3 series with a bigger engine, not much else and ultimately it's not setup as a sport car... It's still very good and capable of course but the feel is so different.
Wrong on all accounts, the 340 is faster and handles better than the C43 and taking them to the track will be even worse for the C43. Just so you know the C43 is not a real AMG either in the same way the M340i is not a real M3. However, both are direct competitors and one happens to sound better, looks is subjective so we won't get into that. The fact is the 3 series wins in performance. lol at C43 set up to be a sport car, who knew ....joke of the day.
I would think that the C43 could do well on a track. Its a very good car with good power and handling. But lets think about this for a second,... of the general M340/C43 population, how many people will realistically tracking their car often. I would think if you are tracking, you would just step up to a full fledged M3/4/C63. In the end these are more likely to be daily drivers, so arguing about which will perform best on a track will likely not matter to most.
The funny thing is the C43 handles better and is much stiffer like a proper sports car , not a Lexus. I've driven both and owned a C43.
Oh I agree, I test drove the C43 and came to the same conclusion that you did, the C43 is a different animal in comparison to the C300. I prefer the C43 over the M340i. My wife and I would've ended up with a C43 but we really wanted a manual, so we're gonna get an M2C when our Boxster lease is up.

I never envisioned myself as a Mercedes owner, as they always made good cars, but never really sports cars, I always saw them as "a car for when you retire." But these new "AMG Lite" cars are really well executed. I love my CLS more than my last 5 series which I really found to be disappointing in the driving experience (despite being fully loaded), even the M550 felt like a numb rocket, fast in a straight line, but in the corners, meh.

The more competition, the more it pushes BMW to hopefully better in the future.
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Meh ... put them on a track an see which handles better ... that'd be the Merc... The C43 is an AMG product (car setup to be a sport car) minus few thing... the M340 is just a 3 series with a bigger engine, not much else and ultimately it's not setup as a sport car... It's still very good and capable of course but the feel is so different.
Wrong on all accounts, the 340 is faster and handles better than the C43 and taking them to the track will be even worse for the C43. Just so you know the C43 is not a real AMG either in the same way the M340i is not a real M3. However, both are direct competitors and one happens to sound better, looks is subjective so we won't get into that. The fact is the 3 series wins in performance. lol at C43 set up to be a sport car, who knew ....joke of the day.
I would think that the C43 could do well on a track. Its a very good car with good power and handling. But lets think about this for a second,... of the general M340/C43 population, how many people will realistically tracking their car often. I would think if you are tracking, you would just step up to a full fledged M3/4/C63. In the end these are more likely to be daily drivers, so arguing about which will perform best on a track will likely not matter to most.
The funny thing is the C43 handles better and is much stiffer like a proper sports car , not a Lexus. I've driven both and owned a C43.
Oh I agree, I test drove the C43 and came to the same conclusion that you did, the C43 is a different animal in comparison to the C300. I prefer the C43 over the M340i. My wife and I would've ended up with a C43 but we really wanted a manual, so we're gonna get an M2C when our Boxster lease is up.

I never envisioned myself as a Mercedes owner, as they always made good cars, but never really sports cars, I always saw them as "a car for when you retire." But these new "AMG Lite" cars are really well executed. I love my CLS more than my last 5 series which I really found to be disappointing in the driving experience (despite being fully loaded), even the M550 felt like a numb rocket, fast in a straight line, but in the corners, meh.

The more competition, the more it pushes BMW to hopefully better in the future.
That's what I'm hoping for as well ..... but they were on the right track and all of a sudden dropped the ball big time. A lot of crybabies here always arguing , true brand loyalists. I feel for them , I'm a BMW ///M guy all the way but I'll always speak the truth and these new cars are just not what a BMW is all about.

There was a time you could sit inside a E9X blindfolded and you could never mistake it for anything else , sit blindfolded in a M340 and you will confuse it for an Audi / Lexus. It's 100%, the only ones arguing are the ones who love that numb , without a soul driving feeling and exactly the problem with today's issue that BMW has.
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Times have changed, you are in the camp that harp on and on about how the cars were better in the past. Who knew, tell that to newcomers to the brand pal. I have owned E36's and E46's as is the case for many others here. We all know the brand has evolved and lost some of it's core values but that's just the way things are these days. What i find absurd is people who don't own or have any interest in owning an M340i yet harp on over and over how much of a disappointment it is.

What is your goal? You've already decided it's not hardcore enough for you which is fine. Just move on, you won't convince those of us who have purchased one that we have made a mistake. The redundant argument and points have been made several times throughout this forum. Even when the E46 debuted there were people who felt BMW lost its way; when the E90 M3 was announced with the V8, many made the same arguments. Ironically the guys who bought E90 M3's all now claim it was the best M3 ever. If you ask me, the best M3 was the E46 M3 CSL.
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