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      01-30-2020, 07:09 AM   #683
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Insurance premiums for Model 3s are Also astronomical here in Australia (2.5 times higher than for the BMW).
Yeah, the Model 3 is not cheap to insure. The real irony is its actually cheaper to insure than the i3! That being said, its about the same cost to insure as my F80.
How much does Tesla charge for their own insurance it's supposed to be cheaper than State Farm, geico, etc. only Tesla can repair these vehicles so they charge whatever they want to insurance which drives up premiums but they can fix it at their own cost if you buy their insurance. They probably just beat the competition just slightly however. Though it is worth comparing.
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How much does Tesla charge for their own insurance it's supposed to be cheaper than State Farm, geico, etc. only Tesla can repair these vehicles so they charge whatever they want to insurance which drives up premiums but they can fix it at their own cost if you buy their insurance. They probably just beat the competition just slightly however. Though it is worth comparing.
its the time to repair that is driving it up as well. Insurance has to provide alternative vehicle. a year to repair bumper and front wheel strut - ridiculous

https://www.sfgate.com/cars/article/...r-13796037.php
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its the time to repair that is driving it up as well. Insurance has to provide alternative vehicle. a year to repair bumper and front wheel strut - ridiculous

https://www.sfgate.com/cars/article/...r-13796037.php
holy crap! didnt even realize it was THAT bad for tesla repairs.
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How much does Tesla charge for their own insurance it's supposed to be cheaper than State Farm, geico, etc. only Tesla can repair these vehicles so they charge whatever they want to insurance which drives up premiums but they can fix it at their own cost if you buy their insurance. They probably just beat the competition just slightly however. Though it is worth comparing.
its the time to repair that is driving it up as well. Insurance has to provide alternative vehicle. a year to repair bumper and front wheel strut - ridiculous

https://www.sfgate.com/cars/article/...r-13796037.php
Lol my co worker just brought a model x with air suspension. If that goes out it could be over a year to repair. Hopefully they give her a nice loaner. I wonder how much Tesla insurance costs? I also don't understand why people by Tesla's if you can't charge at home. There aren't enough super chargers and you have to wait forever as others people take 30 minutes to an hour to charge.
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I feel like I live in a different universe - when I replaced my F31 with the Model 3, my premium went down by about 10%.
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I feel like I live in a different universe - when I replaced my F31 with the Model 3, my premium went down by about 10%.
Don’t try to bring facts into this conversation, man!

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Don’t try to bring facts into this conversation, man!

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10% off insurance premium (~$20 a month..?) isn’t really a material savings in the grand scheme of when leasing/financing a new Tesla or BMW. If that savings makes or breaks your purchase/lease decision, you’re liking considering other brands.

Additionally, not having my car for a year means I’m throwing away money for what... a loaner of a much less caliber? Glad I saw this article because I would never consider a Tesla until I know they can get to a reasonable repair window. Far less concerned about me being at fault compared to all the idiots on the road!
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How much does Tesla charge for their own insurance it's supposed to be cheaper than State Farm, geico, etc. only Tesla can repair these vehicles so they charge whatever they want to insurance which drives up premiums but they can fix it at their own cost if you buy their insurance. They probably just beat the competition just slightly however. Though it is worth comparing.
Isn't TESLA made of polymer plastic? Can't be expensive to fix. Wasn't for Saturns.
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10% off insurance premium (~$20 a month..?) isn’t really a material savings in the grand scheme of when leasing/financing a new Tesla or BMW.
My comment was directed at those who would spread FUD regarding Tesla in general. No, insurance premiums for Teslas are NOT generally higher than other premium-branded cars. As with most consumer products, it pays to shop around. My premiums are essentially unchanged for my Model 3 Performance compared to the 2 cars of similar value that I previously drove.
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My comment was directed at those who would spread FUD regarding Tesla in general. No, insurance premiums for Teslas are NOT generally higher than other premium-branded cars. As with most consumer products, it pays to shop around. My premiums are essentially unchanged for my Model 3 Performance compared to the 2 cars of similar value that I previously drove.
Insurance rates vary so widely depending on the insurer, the insured, the city/state you live in, the theft/vandalism rate for the vehicle in question, etc. that there is no point in really discussing it either way. My insurance rates would jump up $50 a month if I moved 10 miles further east.
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So who here might still consider a new Tesla 3 over the new G20?

When I got my F80 I looked at a P90D but because I actually track my M3 quite often and Tesla S was rather big, I opted to pass.

Now that Tesla has the smaller Model 3 and I don't track often (I'll probably just only use the race car) the new Tesla may be something to consider..

I bet the Tesla 3 will be the faster everyday real world "street car." (And couldn't sound any worse than my F80)
a 3 series is more than just straight line speed. will the tesla ever handle like a 330i? all the extra weight did to the battery packs will have its impact on cornering.
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In all fairness, the model 3 I understand handles decently. I think the lower COG because of the batteries is actually advantageous.
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In all fairness, the model 3 I understand handles decently. I think the lower COG because of the batteries is actually advantageous.
There's a reason SCCA Solo put all Model 3s into SS next to Corvettes and 911s this year.
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So who here might still consider a new Tesla 3 over the new G20?

When I got my F80 I looked at a P90D but because I actually track my M3 quite often and Tesla S was rather big, I opted to pass.

Now that Tesla has the smaller Model 3 and I don't track often (I'll probably just only use the race car) the new Tesla may be something to consider..

I bet the Tesla 3 will be the faster everyday real world "street car." (And couldn't sound any worse than my F80)
a 3 series is more than just straight line speed. will the tesla ever handle like a 330i? all the extra weight did to the battery packs will have its impact on cornering.
Most Model 3 variants don't actually weigh much more than their BMW counterparts (as little as 20lbs and as high as 60lbs depending on the model), and the weight is low in the body which actually benefits handling more than hurting it as the center of gravity is low.
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a 3 series is more than just straight line speed. will the tesla ever handle like a 330i? all the extra weight did to the battery packs will have its impact on cornering.
Not sure where you are getting your information, but the Model 3 actually handles very well for the class (if you were to lump it into the luxury/sport compact class). I tested a Model 3 Performance, and it felt sharper than my old M340i xDrive (the rear drive M340i may be a better competitor).
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a 3 series is more than just straight line speed. will the tesla ever handle like a 330i? all the extra weight did to the battery packs will have its impact on cornering.
Not sure where you are getting your information, but the Model 3 actually handles very well for the class (if you were to lump it into the luxury/sport compact class). I tested a Model 3 Performance, and it felt sharper than my old M340i xDrive (the rear drive M340i may be a better competitor).
"But straight lines can only be so satisfying and the 3 Series buries the Tesla on anything more than a slight curve. The Tesla may have a low center of gravity thanks to its floor-mounted batteries, but its spongy suspension and low-impact, limited-grip Michelin Primacy MXM4 tires (same as the Toyota Prius) make it unruly in faster turns. The rear feels like it wants to give up when pushed, and the high-riding body wafts like an old-timey ship on stormy seas.

The BMW 330i is more satisfying to drive, so it gets our nod here."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...omparison/amp/
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In all fairness, the model 3 I understand handles decently. I think the lower COG because of the batteries is actually advantageous.
There's a reason SCCA Solo put all Model 3s into SS next to Corvettes and 911s this year.
It would be interesting to see how they do in that class.
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"But straight lines can only be so satisfying and the 3 Series buries the Tesla on anything more than a slight curve. The Tesla may have a low center of gravity thanks to its floor-mounted batteries, but its spongy suspension and low-impact, limited-grip Michelin Primacy MXM4 tires (same as the Toyota Prius) make it unruly in faster turns. The rear feels like it wants to give up when pushed, and the high-riding body wafts like an old-timey ship on stormy seas.

The BMW 330i is more satisfying to drive, so it gets our nod here."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...omparison/amp/
That is also comparing rear drive model 3 with crappy tires to M Sport package of the 330i. I wouldn't expect any different result. Step up to the Model 3 Performance and in my opinion and experience, it out handled the M340i.

Edit: I should have noted that despite my observations, I would still take the equivalent 3 series over the Model 3.
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Didn't expect this thread to be resurrected.

I've driven the Model 3 performance. It performs incredibly and leaves the m340i in the dust.

That being said, my experience with it left me feeling empty. Aside from the cool party trick of instant torque, it was one of the most emotionless driving experiences I've ever had from a high performance car. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the current trend towards spreadsheet cars means automakers are targeting performance at the EXPENSE of what driving is actually supposed to be - fun.

I haven't yet had the opportunity to drive a Taycan, so I can't say for sure if the lack of emotion was a Tesla issue or just a general EV issue. I REALLY hope it isn't a general EV issue, because if it is, then I'm screwed.
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Having spent 3 months and multiple test drives in consideration of the Model 3, I cannot fathom any true BMW driver, enthusiast, loyalist being happy with the Model 3 over a 3 series. I say this as a person who has driven BMW 3 and 4 series since the 1990’s and I’m driving my 9th BMW.

I really wanted to like it, I really did. I actually like they exterior stying of the Model 3 (even though it looks somewhat like a typical Japanese production car). It has some cool tech and a futuristic cockpit with the glass roof and minimalistic interior. But the car utterly lacks any sort of driving personality. It’s an electric go cart feel. Sure, instant power is fun, but there is no character or feel to the car and handling feels sloppy for a luxury car. There’s nothing sporty about the way it drives other than the instant power. The regenerative breaking is annoying at first and takes some getting used to. And the tech, while cool that your car basically updates itself with constant software updates and unlocking of features, is still so simple it’s annoying. It lacks a lot of useful features to achieve its “modern” design...you get basically a steering wheel and an iPad. It’s a distraction to do even the most basic things, like directing your air vents, or wiper speed, etc. The interior lighting at night consists of a dim white footwell light if you get the more expensive model. They finally just updated the trunk to a power close in 2021. There are just so many features, like heads up display, etc. that you’d expect in a car that costs >$50k that the Model 3 just doesn’t or may never have. The only thing that that I liked about driving it was the ease of switching into autonomous driving by double-clicking the wheel stock. I suspect this will become a standard feature on all new luxury cars over the next 5-10 years.

In my opinion, no one who truly loves driving and has spent any real time behind the wheel of a BMW will be satisfied with the Tesla Model 3. The model 3 is for people who view driving as just transportation. The people who love it are usually people coming from lesser brands and not typically “car people.” Add to that, the extra cost and hassle of the charging install to make it practical at home, planned stops for longer trips and all the after market crap u have purchase, I don’t see how any seasoned BMW driver will be satisfied with this car. Maybe the S or X models, but the Model 3 is just a gadget/toy that after the novelty wears off would be a regretful alternative to a new 3 or 4 series BMW. That’s my honest opinion but obviously there are many others who completely disagree.

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I agree with your thoughts. One thing that you forgot to mention is a lot of model 3 drivers I think are buying them to be part of the "in crowd" or cool. As many have stated, I think the initial novelty of super quick acceleration will wear off quickly, not to mention you aren't going to practically be able to use that straight line speed regularly, not to mention you'll probably make your passengers either sick or annoyed.

For a very brief moment I gave consideration to the model 3 performance spec but soon realized I'd get bored with it. I want to hear the engine and "feel" the car. ALSO, there are simply way too many of these driving around no matter where you are. They're becoming like Toyota Corollas.
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