[yaymitch]

I drove the M340i before I bought my M2C and was not impressed. Steering sucked and it is kinda boring. Plus, only reason to get M340i is more space and luxury. If you want fast in straight line, AWD and better handling in a sedan, RS3 is the ticket. Will walk an M340i all day long and for less money.

[edwinm3]

I've never seen so many butt hurt ppl before, get over it, it's just a damn car lol

[jmg]

Originally Posted by edwinm3

I've never seen so many butt hurt ppl before, get over it, it's just a damn car lol

The fact that the M340i can be faster than an M2C in a drag doesn't bother them-it's that certain people think it should bother them.

[sharpmoney]

Originally Posted by daap1193

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Im driving the M2C for over 18000 kms, both cars are good but if you compare them just by what you feel on track you answer always going to be the same, but believe me I'm a fan of race cars and race for several years but the m2c isn't the great M that everybody talks about, BMW lent you the car before you buy it on the track and for a few laps at least thats my experience, but that doesn't give you the full perspective of the car, as an long time owner I can tell that the S55 is not a good engine, brakes start to fade even in street use, suspension is way to stiff and don't let you put the power on the ground, the diff cracks every time you put it on a slope and finally the car is extremely heavy. Would I buy it again, no,

Here is the dyno graph first number is with DPS and the second one Stock if you doubt It put that power on the wheels. I'm not giving you shit for your post, really apréciate different opinions I'm just giving my perspective as a long time owner and a person that beats the shit out of the cars Hahahahaha, and finally we have tested them in at the same time but the results are always the same, the M340 goes off the line first and stays there most of the time, I'm able to catch after 800 mts more o less but there's no third person to film yet.

the diff cracking/clunking sound is normal right? for M2c

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by yaymitch

I drove the M340i before I bought my M2C and was not impressed. Steering sucked and it is kinda boring. Plus, only reason to get M340i is more space and luxury. If you want fast in straight line, AWD and better handling in a sedan, RS3 is the ticket. Will walk an M340i all day long and for less money.

Funny, the RS3 will walk your M2 in a drag race, what's your point. What's so great about the boring 5 cylinder VW. M340i will not only out run it's competition ala S4/S5,C43AMG, G70 3.3T in a drag race. It will also pull a faster lap versus all it's direct competitors on the track. The M2C is not a direct competitor to the M340i nor is the VW 5 cylinder, bias much....

News flash, all current modern BMW's have shitty steering, even the M2C. Genesis, Cadillac, Alfa and even Lexus manage to build a better steering than BMW. The M2C fun factor lies more in it's size than anything else because even the M2C is heavy for what it is. Also, M340i can be had in RWD, not all of us opt for AWD.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Funny, the RS3 will walk your M2 in a drag race, what's your point. What's so great about the boring 5 cylinder VW. M340i will not only out run it's competition ala S4/S5,C43AMG, G70 3.3T in a drag race. It will also pull a faster lap versus all it's direct competitors on the track. The M2C is not a direct competitor to the M340i nor is the VW 5 cylinder, bias much....

News flash, all current modern BMW's have shitty steering, even the M2C. Genesis, Cadillac, Alfa and even Lexus manage to build a better steering than BMW. The M2C fun factor lies more in it's size than anything else because even the M2C is heavy for what it is. Also, M340i can be had in RWD, not all of us opt for AWD.

That WAS his point. The M2C is not a drag car, it was tuned to handle a track, not a strip.

[yaymitch]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Funny, the RS3 will walk your M2 in a drag race, what's your point. What's so great about the boring 5 cylinder VW. M340i will not only out run it's competition ala S4/S5,C43AMG, G70 3.3T in a drag race. It will also pull a faster lap versus all it's direct competitors on the track. The M2C is not a direct competitor to the M340i nor is the VW 5 cylinder, bias much....

News flash, all current modern BMW's have shitty steering, even the M2C. Genesis, Cadillac, Alfa and even Lexus manage to build a better steering than BMW. The M2C fun factor lies more in it's size than anything else because even the M2C is heavy for what it is. Also, M340i can be had in RWD, not all of us opt for AWD.

HA! You completely missed the point!! That's okay, by your rational a Porsche 911 is just a VW 6 cylinder....

[EXE46]

[QUOTE=yaymitch;26379330]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Funny, the RS3 will walk your M2 in a drag race, what's your point. What's so great about the boring 5 cylinder VW. M340i will not only out run it's competition ala S4/S5,C43AMG, G70 3.3T in a drag race. It will also pull a faster lap versus all it's direct competitors on the track. The M2C is not a direct competitor to the M340i nor is the VW 5 cylinder, bias much....

News flash, all current modern BMW's have shitty steering, even the M2C. Genesis, Cadillac, Alfa and even Lexus manage to build a better steering than BMW. The M2C fun factor lies more in it's size than anything else because even the M2C is heavy for what it is. Also, M340i can be had in RWD, not all of us opt for AWD.

HA! You completely missed the point!! That's okay, by your rational a Porsche 911 is just a VW 6 cylinder.... [/

You missed the point because the RS3 is competitor to your car not the M340i. So your spiel about how it will beat it in a drag race is irrelevant especially when the outcome would be the same for the M2.

The M340i does very well against all its direct competitors as I mentioned before. In fact, it out performs every single one of its direct competitors. Those are facts.


Ps Both Audi and Porsche falls under the VW group genius.

[edwinm3]

why are ppl complaining about poor steering if you're drag racing? :

[DenHaag3er]

Originally Posted by jmg

That WAS his point. The M2C is not a drag car, it was tuned to handle a track, not a strip.

The M2 is a road car. The M340i is a road car not tuned for a drag strip.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by DenHaag3er

The M2 is a road car. The M340i is a road car not tuned for a drag strip.

Regardless of what we think each car is tuned for, the results speak for themselves:
The M2C is faster on the track than an M340i, but the M340i is faster to 60. If you are on a public road street light "racing", then the M340i does that job better. But if you are on a circuit where you don't come to a complete stop every lap or every corner, then the M2C does the job better. It really is that simple and the lap times prove it.

Regarding my original reply, an M2C driver doesn't care if the RS3 beats it in the drag, because the M340i already does, but the M2C outperforms both on the track. If a buyer makes an informed decision about what they want in the car, then they shouldn't be bothered by drag times if that's not one of their priorities.

I am not bothered by the M340i's drag times because I don't drag race and I enjoy tracking. However, I am bothered when M340i owners says their car is "better" than an M car because it's faster in the 1/4 because that's not what an M2/M3/M4 is primarily designed to excel in.

I'm glad you are happy with your M340i, I'm sure you will beat me to the next stop light if I was foolish enough to race on a public street. However, if you want to come to a track day, I'd be happy to have a friendly competition. I would have the advantage with a better suited car, but skill plays a much bigger role on the track with turns so you might beat me. At least that victory would be rightfully earned.

BTW the RS5 is faster than my car in the 1/4 mile, and the last few times I was at WSIR and ACS I was getting the point by on all of them. They simply lost in the twisties or were just less skilled.

[jmg]

[QUOTE=EXE46;26379495]

Originally Posted by yaymitch

HA! You completely missed the point!! That's okay, by your rational a Porsche 911 is just a VW 6 cylinder.... [/

You missed the point because the RS3 is competitor to your car not the M340i. So your spiel about how it will beat it in a drag race is irrelevant especially when the outcome would be the same for the M2.

The M340i does very well against all its direct competitors as I mentioned before. In fact, it out performs every single one of its direct competitors. Those are facts.


Ps Both Audi and Porsche falls under the VW group genius.

To the average consumer who just considers price and broad general categories they might be competitors, but if you are a little more informed and focused on getting a car for the track and the choice is between these two, then the M2C outperforms the RS3.

Lap times are consistent across the board in favor of the less understeering better cornering M2C. Now if you just want a streetlight racer and want to enjoy that 0.7s advantage to the 1/4 then the RS3 does it's job. However, if you are an enthusiast who enjoys more than hammering the accelerator coming out of cars and coffee, and actually drives well rounded performance cars as intended then the more dynamic, better handling, better braking, and more fun to drive M2C checks many more boxes. Performance is more than just mashing the pedal, anyone can do that. It takes skill, guts, and a well tuned piece of engineering to navigate a decreasing radius turn with an elevation change. Different tools for different jobs.

If find it so strange that people claim to be enthusiasts and hold only the 1/4 as the single metric for performance when it's not only just one of many, but not even the most important nor the most exciting one.

[yaymitch]

[QUOTE=jmg;26380754]

Originally Posted by EXE46

To the average consumer who just considers price and broad general categories they might be competitors, but if you are a little more informed and focused on getting a car for the track and the choice is between these two, then the M2C outperforms the RS3.

Lap times are consistent across the board in favor of the less understeering better cornering M2C. Now if you just want a streetlight racer and want to enjoy that 0.7s advantage to the 1/4 then the RS3 does it's job. However, if you are an enthusiast who enjoys more than hammering the accelerator coming out of cars and coffee, and actually drives well rounded performance cars as intended then the more dynamic, better handling, better braking, and more fun to drive M2C checks many more boxes. Performance is more than just mashing the pedal, anyone can do that. It takes skill, guts, and a well tuned piece of engineering to navigate a decreasing radius turn with an elevation change. Different tools for different jobs.

If find it so strange that people claim to be enthusiasts and hold only the 1/4 as the single metric for performance when it's not only just one of many, but not even the most important nor the most exciting one.

My point is the RS3 doesn't perform on the track as well as the M2C and the package is much more similar to the M340i than the M2C. 4-DR, AWD, adjustable suspension, etc. I was just pointing out that if you want a fast car in the 1/4 the M340i is not the car to buy and was tired of hearing how it can beat the M-cars from a dig. This is why I have both the RS3 and M2C. I've tracked both and they are both fun in their own ways.

[jmg]

[QUOTE=yaymitch;26381409]

Originally Posted by jmg

My point is the RS3 doesn't perform on the track as well as the M2C and the package is much more similar to the M340i than the M2C. 4-DR, AWD, adjustable suspension, etc. I was just pointing out that if you want a fast car in the 1/4 the M340i is not the car to buy and was tired of hearing how it can beat the M-cars from a dig. This is why I have both the RS3 and M2C. I've tracked both and they are both fun in their own ways.

I agree. And something is wrong with the quoting system in this thread!

[MaverickM]

[QUOTE=jmg;26380754]

Originally Posted by EXE46

To the average consumer who just considers price and broad general categories they might be competitors, but if you are a little more informed and focused on getting a car for the track and the choice is between these two, then the M2C outperforms the RS3.

Lap times are consistent across the board in favor of the less understeering better cornering M2C. Now if you just want a streetlight racer and want to enjoy that 0.7s advantage to the 1/4 then the RS3 does it's job. However, if you are an enthusiast who enjoys more than hammering the accelerator coming out of cars and coffee, and actually drives well rounded performance cars as intended then the more dynamic, better handling, better braking, and more fun to drive M2C checks many more boxes. Performance is more than just mashing the pedal, anyone can do that. It takes skill, guts, and a well tuned piece of engineering to navigate a decreasing radius turn with an elevation change. Different tools for different jobs.

If find it so strange that people claim to be enthusiasts and hold only the 1/4 as the single metric for performance when it's not only just one of many, but not even the most important nor the most exciting one.

well said! i chose the m340 over the m3 just because of the newer tech, awd speed and torque.... we dont have tracks in new york. doesn't make sense.

[SilverComp]

Originally Posted by john!smith

yes, it is not a "real" m car. but it is a very sophosticated engine. up to date in every way.
the m340i will not beat the upcomming m3 or m4! no doubt.

but it kills the m3 e46, e90 and m2. further... the m340i is very close to the m2c, a little better driving skills behind the steering wheel and the f80 m3 driver will be struggeling, too.

my m340i with mhd stage 2 can beat every stock f80. it can also keep up with f80's on stage 1.


so... it doesnt matter if my car is a real m. dont give a sh about badges. just driving 😂

Honestly, from a standstill, the M340i will always win because of Xdrive. A stage 1 M4/M3/M2C will leave a stage 2 M340i in the dust on a 40 roll or higher. From what I have seen, most stage 2 M340i's depending on the hardware make around 460 or more to the wheels. Let me know if that is incorrect because I don't know much about tuning on those cars. A stage 1 S55 will make around 500whp and upwards of 520 wheel torque. Like I said, the M340i will beat a S55 car from a standstill only because of the Xdrive. I believe they are both wonderful cars and have their advantages over one another. For example, the M340i is a much better DD than a M2C purely because of size and functionality. However, all of the M cars will destroy a M performance car such as the M340i on track simply because thats what they are built for and are more efficient in that aspect. Reliability wise, if you are going to modify your B58 heavily it will be more reliable than the S55 unless you do a crank hub fix. From what I have read, the S55 has little risk of spinning the crank hub ( at least in the manual cars ) when it is stage 1 or stock. The DCT cars it is a completely different situation and also from what I have read it also is more likely to spin the hub than a manual version of the same car.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by jmg

The fact that the M340i can be faster than an M2C in a drag doesn't bother them-it's that certain people think it should bother them.

That video in the OP simply showed that the 340 had a better launch...
The 1000ft, 1/4 mile speeds are waaaayyy lower than the M2...
Again, it is a 3-series and will never be an M

[pawelczyk7]

as an owner of a M2C a few comments........tremendous driving car ....... from a looks perspective i get comments frequently on how is just looks the part and sits just right ........ i was pulled over by a guy on a Harley asking if the paint was custom ( i have the HS) ......... i added the M perf exhaust so now sounds pretty good... for me a rear wheel / big motor / manual car( was a must for me ) is why i made the purchase and not many options out there..

[clemsonkev]

M340i no manual option = Fail.

True story.

[naywa01]

Originally Posted by brava09

I would take the M2 on looks alone

OMG what a car, every time I see one on the road I start drooling

With you on that, I'm in an F82 DCT (YMB/Silverstone), but an M2/M2C always turns my head - I particularly like Long Beach Blue (Hockenheim Silver would be my 2nd choice).

Oh and I previously had a 228i M Sport coupe before and will forever wonder if I should have gone M2

[naywa01]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

The M340i is a great car, but take a roundabout fast in it and then do the same manoeuvre in an M3 comp and you will see the difference.

I have done this and rather than preach, would encourage the protagonists to do likewise, rather than just drag strip stuff.

With or without MDM on The M340i looks an interesting option, but there is a certain rawness to my F82 that is addictive - its certainly given me some heart-stopping moments in the wet!!

[535i MSport]

So that's standing start compared.

What about hit the gas from 50mph?

What about hit the gas in third gear from 50mph?

What about a track comparison?

There is so much more to performance than standing start, unless you are a drag racer....