[225]

Dear mr Tesla
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it...


Yours

Mr M340i...

Long schlep today and still just over half a tank left, if I had had to stop I would have done for all of 5 to ten minutes..

[willougs]

Sorry. I don't understand. What's your point?
Are you highlighting the range on your half tank of petrol (what 40 to 50 quid?) compared to a Teslas full battery charge range (costing a fraction of that)?

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by willougs

Sorry. I don't understand. What's your point?
Are you highlighting the range on your half tank of petrol (what 40 to 50 quid?) compared to a Teslas full battery charge range (costing a fraction of that)?

I think he's just highlighting the difference in real world range between an ICE car and a EV. But don't worry, I'm sure there'll be someone along shortly to say most people don't do more than 20 miles in a day so range doesn't really matter....

[willougs]

Originally Posted by JNW1

I think he's just highlighting the difference in real world range between an ICE car and a EV. But don't worry, I'm sure there'll be someone along shortly to say most people don't do more than 20 miles in a day so range doesn't really matter....

My point is Mr Tesla didn't buy his car for its amazing range. Horses for courses etc.

[dpazz]

Indeed, I (my employer) bought mine for the 1p/mile running cost. When do you ever drive more than 250 miles without either needing the toilet or something to drink/eat.

My personal car is an M340i Touring.

[225]

Originally Posted by JNW1

I think he's just highlighting the difference in real world range between an ICE car and a EV. But don't worry, I'm sure there'll be someone along shortly to say most people don't do more than 20 miles in a day so range doesn't really matter....

Hehe just seeing if I would get a bite.
Yes a Tesla or other EV would be considerably cheaper to drive 500 miles but I was just impressed with the MHT tech and potential range.

Mind numbing journey though and that 40 will quickly become low 20s in my usual lots of short journeys trips.

[G82Dude]

...and leccy won't be "cheap" for much longer!

Fifth Gear did a good one recently on a petrol RS something versus e-tron - worked out around the same on whizzy leccy chargers.

[crowdedhouse]

When I can get 1000 Km range in a leisurely 10 minutes I might have a look

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by G82Dude

...and leccy won't be "cheap" for much longer!

Fifth Gear did a good one recently on a petrol RS something versus e-tron - worked out around the same on whizzy leccy chargers.

And if everyone jumped into EV's tomorrow would there be enough leccy to charge them all? With our messed-up energy policy I'm not convinced there would and given the lead time for building generating capacity I'm not sure any shortfalls in supply will be a quick fix either...

[user1811]

Originally Posted by JNW1

And if everyone jumped into EV's tomorrow would there be enough leccy to charge them all?

Indeed, for some interesting National Grid statistics see, https://grid.iamkate.com/

It is interesting just how much of the electricity is generated by burning gas.

So electric car drivers are not really saving the planet as much as they think.

Add to that the environmental cost of extracting all the lithium... And then consider what will happen when all those batteries start wearing out...

[4monks]

Originally Posted by user1811

Indeed, for some interesting National Grid statistics see, https://grid.iamkate.com/

It is interesting just how much of the electricity is generated by burning gas.

So electric car drivers are not really saving the planet as much as they think.

Add to that the environmental cost of extracting all the lithium... And then consider what will happen when all those batteries start wearing out...

For BEVs, the green break even point varies by electricity production. There have been numerous studies on it since the "EVs are not green myth" was busted. It's now fairly well understood they're not the silver bullet, but better by varying degrees over their lifetime depending on how the electricity is produced. In Norway / France - they give most benefit, the UK in the middle and US and Germany are towards the lower end.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factchec...climate-change

[Charlie (Wessex)]

Originally Posted by 225

Dear mr Tesla
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it...


Yours

Mr M340i...

Long schlep today and still just over half a tank left, if I had had to stop I would have done for all of 5 to ten minutes..

There's an awful lot of blue on that graph.

[willougs]

Not sure why this thread has swayed onto charging capacity of the Grid; however I also doubt Mr Tesla has bought his car for environmental reasons. In most cases.

[willougs]

Originally Posted by 225

Hehe just seeing if I would get a bite.

.. anyway,  back to the OP...

So the intention was to seek to antagonise fellow BMW drivers by comparing "apples and oranges" on a single aspect only,  the range?

What about running costs, acceleration,  driving aids, tech, purchase price etc?

Sorry,  but I still don't get it...  however will  leave it there before this turns into yet another "the M340 is the best car ever and you must be stupid to buy anything else, regardless of personal requirements/circumstances" thread.

[user1811]

Relax, it's just a discussion. OP was probably feeling smug.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by willougs

.. anyway, back to the OP...

So the intention was to seek to antagonise fellow BMW drivers by comparing "apples and oranges" on a single aspect only, the range?

What about running costs, acceleration, driving aids, tech, purchase price etc?

Sorry, but I still don't get it... however will leave it there before this turns into yet another "the M340 is the best car ever and you must be stupid to buy anything else, regardless of personal requirements/circumstances" thread.

The OP started post number 6 by saying he was just seeing if he would get a bite - you seem to have obliged by taking his bait hook, line and sinker!

[Charlie (Wessex)]

FWIW the car app is saying 82% and 272 miles giving me a very respectable..... 331 mile tank.

[ScottC25]

Can I be first to state the obvious, and that the M340i is a lot less ugly than a Tesla as well, and doesn't have a stupid big iPad on the dashboard!

[ramparts]

With all the increases in home energy costs ( my electric is going to be triple what it was in a few weeks) , how much are people actually "saving " now

[Colliwobbles]

Originally Posted by davidoff86

With all the increases in home energy costs ( my electric is going to be triple what it was in a few weeks) , how much are people actually "saving " now

Wait until all the taxes on petrol have to be swopped onto electric and then see what the comparison will be

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by Colliwobbles

Wait until all the taxes on petrol have to be swopped onto electric and then see what the comparison will be

Exactly , everyone will end up paying about the same

[TuffLittleUnit]

I really wanted an i4 (or an iX3) but:

1. I couldn't afford the extra £13k for the same spec as my 420d GC
2. I couldn't wait 6 - 12 months for delivery
3. With BEV's booming, I'm rather cynical about the charging infrastructure.

This weekend I drove Leeds to Plymouth on Saturday afternoon and then back again early Sunday morning. 660 miles round trip is a lot of charging (and this journey is reasonably frequent for me). Did this journey in the X3 and almost managed it on a single tank. The 420d would easily do it without any fuel stop and at a fair old pace as well.

Saw a fair few Teslas, i-Paces etc on the same journey (mainly on the M5) doing around 60-65mph on the motorway, presumably to maximise the range. Not a compromise I'm prepared to make.