[tylers1027]

Hi All - Just purchased my first ever BMW; so excited to join the forum! It's a 2022 330I with the M Sport package. I had one quick question regarding shifting through modes. Can you shift from Eco/Comfort/Sport at any speed or parked? At moving speeds and switching I don't feel anything upon switch, but if parked or at very low speeds you can feel sometimes a slight jerk when switching. After the mode is switched it's fine. Is this just the suspension/steering adjusting itself to the new mode?

[bese60]

Yes totally normal and intended.

[TurtleBoy]

I have never felt a jerk when switching modes. Do you have the Adaptive M Suspension? If not, when you change modes the suspension is not affected.

Congratulations and welcome to the forum. Good luck, enjoy and be safe.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by tylers1027

Hi All - Just purchased my first ever BMW; so excited to join the forum! It's a 2022 330I with the M Sport package. I had one quick question regarding shifting through modes. Can you shift from Eco/Comfort/Sport at any speed or parked? At moving speeds and switching I don't feel anything upon switch, but if parked or at very low speeds you can feel sometimes a slight jerk when switching. After the mode is switched it's fine. Is this just the suspension/steering adjusting itself to the new mode?

The impact of the change of mode, will depend on how you set up the configurations.

For example on the move; If all functions are checked for Sport mode and you have AT and adaptive damping, toggling from Comfort to Sport, steering stiffens, AT will drop a gear or two, throttle is more sensitive, and suspension firms up, all changing immediately.

The jerking when stationary... If you have AT and are in Drive, it could be a down shift, (2nd to 1st) ready to move off, if say you switch to Sport from Comfort.

[Blado]

Originally Posted by tylers1027

Hi All - Just purchased my first ever BMW; so excited to join the forum! It's a 2022 330I with the M Sport package. I had one quick question regarding shifting through modes. Can you shift from Eco/Comfort/Sport at any speed or parked? At moving speeds and switching I don't feel anything upon switch, but if parked or at very low speeds you can feel sometimes a slight jerk when switching. After the mode is switched it's fine. Is this just the suspension/steering adjusting itself to the new mode?


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I have the same color combo. beautiful car and congrats!

I have the adaptive m suspension and I can tell the difference between sport and comfort. I can tell the switch happens maybe 1 second after I push the button.

one other thing to consider is the road surface. ion bumpy roads or curves I can tell easily. but in fresh paved roads it can be challenging to tell if the suspension changed. I can easily tell now after 6 months but I can see where you still need to learn the quirks of your car.

anyways enjoy the new ride! post more pics too

[TupperBMW]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I have never felt a jerk when switching modes. Do you have the Adaptive M Suspension? If not, when you change modes the suspension is not affected.

Are you sure? I have the M340i and I believe the dampening firms up when you switch from comfort to sport mode

You don't need adaptive suspension for that. Would that be different for the 330i?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by TupperBMW

Are you sure? I have the M340i and I believe the dampening firms up when you switch from comfort to sport mode

You don't need adaptive suspension for that. Would that be different for the 330i?

The M Sport suspension is a passive suspension that is not affected by the drive modes.

[RedKloud]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

The M Sport suspension is a passive suspension that is not affected by the drive modes.

+1
The only jerking you would feel is if you switch to sport and it downshifts aggressively.

[gnolivos]

If parked and you switch modes you will hear a click. It's not the adaptive suspension changing. I have confirmed that. I suspect the click is the engine mode changing.
Long story but I verified this scientifically by setting up the Individual modes in specific ways and switching back and forth. And reached that conclusion.

[SpeedyATL]

Originally Posted by TupperBMW

Are you sure? I have the M340i and I believe the dampening firms up when you switch from comfort to sport mode

You don't need adaptive suspension for that. Would that be different for the 330i?

I too am curious about this.

I have a 2019 440gc that does not list any special suspension on its monroney and yet in the pictogram displayed when you set up sport individual mode it shows the suspension being affected. I believe it refers to it as being the chassis. I'd be surprised if they deleted this type of suspension with upgrade to the new g20.

From everything I've been able to find about AMS (which isn't much), it seems like programming to automatically adjust the suspension based on how you are driving and even on the road ahead if you have a gps route entered. Being that its only $700, that kind of supports my theory i think, especially when wireless charging is 500 and remote start is 350.

TB or anyone else with more knowledge/info here please enlighten me.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by SpeedyATL

I too am curious about this.

I have a 2019 440gc that does not list any special suspension on its monroney and yet in the pictogram displayed when you set up sport individual mode it shows the suspension being affected. I believe it refers to it as being the chassis. I'd be surprised if they deleted this type of suspension with upgrade to the new g20.

From everything I've been able to find about AMS (which isn't much), it seems like programming to automatically adjust the suspension based on how you are driving and even on the road ahead if you have a gps route entered. Being that its only $700, that kind of supports my theory i think, especially when wireless charging is 500 and remote start is 350.

TB or anyone else with more knowledge/info here please enlighten me.

Only cars with the adaptive suspensions, will change suspension damping with the modes switching. Passive suspensions are in no way influenced by the driving modes.

You require the different hardware for variable damping, there is no in between, even if drivers 'feel' there are differences.

The only thing that could change the chassis 'feel' on a passive suspension example, is the steering weighting, changing with the modes.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by SpeedyATL

I too am curious about this.

I have a 2019 440gc that does not list any special suspension on its monroney and yet in the pictogram displayed when you set up sport individual mode it shows the suspension being affected. I believe it refers to it as being the chassis. I'd be surprised if they deleted this type of suspension with upgrade to the new g20.

From everything I've been able to find about AMS (which isn't much), it seems like programming to automatically adjust the suspension based on how you are driving and even on the road ahead if you have a gps route entered. Being that its only $700, that kind of supports my theory i think, especially when wireless charging is 500 and remote start is 350.

TB or anyone else with more knowledge/info here please enlighten me.

As HighlandPete said above, you need to have a suspension with DDC (Dynamic Damper Control, an adaptive suspension, EDC - Electronic Damper Control) in order for the suspension to be effected by DEC (Drive Experience Control, drive modes).

I can't speak to your 440gc but what you are describing is the Adaptive driving mode. For that you need to have an Adaptive suspension.

Edit: For some more information on the Adaptive driving mode, here is something I got from another forum that I post every so often:

"I asked BMWGenius to explain Adaptive Driving Mode in more detail, including whether or not it switches between comfort and sport depending on the situation. Here's what they said.
The Adaptive Driving Mode is a unique driving mode, separate from COMFORT, ECO PRO, and SPORT. While driving in Adaptive Driving Mode, the vehicle does not switch to COMFORT or SPORT mode automatically. However, characters of COMFORT or SPORT will be implemented, depending on the situation.

The vehicle is considering many factor to determine the optimal drive feel. Along with acceleration, steering, and speed, the vehicle is also factoring in driving conditions, braking, cornering speed, input from the xDrive system and Navigation data.

When the Navigation system has an active guidance, the Navigation data is used to anticipate curves, crossroads and type of street or road that you are driving on. For example, it can select the optimum transmission gear in advance, potentially enhancing efficiency.​

I responded with this:
One more question: Some have suggested that Adaptive Driving Mode learns how you drive over time and adjusts itself based on that history. Is that true? Or does it just adapt based on the current situation without regard to history?​

Here is what they (a different person) said:
In Adaptive mode, the following influences on the driving style are taken into account, among others:
• Longitudinal dynamics
• Current speed
• Pedal sensor position
• Cruise control (sensor data from ACC radar sensor) *If equipped
• Sport shift gate for automatic transmission
• Turn indicator
• Steering wheel movements
• Navigation data

"ADAPTIVE" reacts to the current driving style. The affected control units can change their parameters on the basis of the detected driving style. This system will not use previous driving tendencies to change settings for the current trip.​""

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by gnolivos

If parked and you switch modes you will hear a click. It's not the adaptive suspension changing. I have confirmed that. I suspect the click is the engine mode changing.
Long story but I verified this scientifically by setting up the Individual modes in specific ways and switching back and forth. And reached that conclusion.

Since you did this "scientifically", please do provide your documented findings for our peer review.

[gnolivos]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Since you did this "scientifically", please do provide your documented findings for our peer review.

Lol. I don't document anything haha
In all seriousness, the click is not the active dampening. Has to do with some other setting (chassis/engine/wheel?). It's easy to prove. In any case this was not the main topic of discussion and I only provided this info as an interesting little fact. Click click click!

[TiMSport]

I know man, I'm just playin'.

[arentz07]

Originally Posted by gnolivos

If parked and you switch modes you will hear a click. It's not the adaptive suspension changing. I have confirmed that. I suspect the click is the engine mode changing.
Long story but I verified this scientifically by setting up the Individual modes in specific ways and switching back and forth. And reached that conclusion.

It's the exhaust valve opening and closing.

[gnolivos]

Originally Posted by arentz07

It's the exhaust valve opening and closing.

Could be. Although I hear it coming from the front!

[arentz07]

Originally Posted by gnolivos

Could be. Although I hear it coming from the front!

Strange. Is it this sound?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/uYL4Gzou9SrFJQBn7

Don't want to stray too far off-topic... but I think OP's question has also been answered. FWIW, my car does not have adaptive suspension.

[tylers1027]

Thanks everyone for the replies! So as someone said; it makes sense now that the small jerk was just a downshift. Going slow through my parking lot and switching to sport mode, I think causes the car to downshift to a lower gear which is the reason for the quick jerk. I don't have the adaptive suspension; but the salesguy told me going into sport mode the suspension gets firmer as well as steering (along with the higher shift points). So I guess adaptive suspension auto switches suspension between sport/comfort where as you don't have that your suspension is stuck on sport or comfort but doesn't switch on it's own? And thanks for the compliments; I'll post some more pics soon!

[TiMSport]

Just more evidence that sales people are clueless. Lol.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by tylers1027

I don't have the adaptive suspension; but the salesguy told me going into sport mode the suspension gets firmer as well as steering (along with the higher shift points). So I guess adaptive suspension auto switches suspension between sport/comfort where as you don't have that your suspension is stuck on sport or comfort but doesn't switch on it's own?

Just ignore what your sales guy said. You have a passive suspension that never changes. Going into different drive modes have no effect on your suspension.

The Adaptive suspension does not automatically switch between comfort and sport, you need to change the drive mode for that to happen. The Adaptive drive mode is something different and explained above.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by tylers1027

Thanks everyone for the replies! So as someone said; it makes sense now that the small jerk was just a downshift. Going slow through my parking lot and switching to sport mode, I think causes the car to downshift to a lower gear which is the reason for the quick jerk. I don't have the adaptive suspension; but the salesguy told me going into sport mode the suspension gets firmer as well as steering (along with the higher shift points). So I guess adaptive suspension auto switches suspension between sport/comfort where as you don't have that your suspension is stuck on sport or comfort but doesn't switch on it's own? And thanks for the compliments; I'll post some more pics soon!

Thanks for replying, I sensed that is what may be happening, as it is really only a gear shift, due to changing modes, which can cause a jerk.

There is a lot of confusion out there on what changes when there is no adaptive suspension option fitted. This has been the case since modes were introduced and a chassis option could be checked.

As I've mentioned in an earlier post, any difference in 'feel' is the steering weighting. Some users have been sure there is some other suspension option working in the background, (even without adaptive suspension), as there is a noticeable change moving from Comfort to Sport mode. This can be a real feeling, but there is no suspension change. The passive systems fitted are either standard or M-sport, according to model. Both are pre-set from factory, no changes possible by the user, or link to the car's vertical dynamics management.