05-21-2020, 01:46 PM | #1 |
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Will the G20 be reliable long term?
Featured on BIMMERPOST.com I need some insight and advice about this. I've been driving a 2007 328xi e90 for a while now and I think it's time to get a newer car since it's nearing 250K miles. But I have some reliability concerns with the F30 or G20 cars. Based on what the mechanics here have told me, they don't trust the electrical power steering and the twin turbo four cylinder engines used nowadays are much more prone to issues. Can you share your thoughts? |
05-21-2020, 03:23 PM | #2 |
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There are some minor problems man, got my M340i last September, now I have these problems
My car was the first production car... 1.left rear view mirror shortage causing all the electronics screw up ( window switches, ACC, trunk won't open etc) 2 driver side door rattles ( cold weather only) 3 sunroof rattles( all the time) 4 check engine light comes up once not a big deal 5 at 8000km battery malfunction, replaced a new battery. 6 Sometimes the ACC won't work, said "not available" on the centre screen.. dealer said it's normal. Other than that the car rocks. Feels more connected more fun than my B9 S5.
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Mine is an early build, May 2019 and no issues other than needing to add quart of oil periodically which is not that big of a deal. Since my first oil service, I have not had to add anymore.
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Impressive mileage on the E90, especially given that it was the start of more tech under the hood and more expensive maintenance (electric water pump, no dipstick, etc.). As for long term reliability of the G20, that of course can't be known, however with cars becoming more and more rolling computers, it is expected that these cars will become very expensive to maintain to the 250k mile point of your old E90. I know in another thread a replacement laserlight headlight was $3k (without labor), so maybe an extended warranty is advised after some ownership depending on how much you trust the vehicle.
As for engines, I would stay away from the earlier 4-cylinders (N20 engine code), and go for something post 2016 with a 30i moniker, denoting the new B48 engine being used. Your best guess for long term reliability would be asking the F3X forum, as I know there are users who have 100k miles+ on their 3/4-series, but of course, beware, being that this is a forum so there may be some bias. Hope that helped
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05-22-2020, 12:15 AM | #5 |
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Due to all the advanced electronics in the G20, I wouldn't personally want to own it past my 3 year lease as any issues down the line will most likely cost a grip to fix. Just my opinion.
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https://www.jdpower.com/business/pre...dability-study
BMW reliability is actually pretty good at the 3 year mark according to the linked study. My guess is that the G20 will prove to be very reliable too. I think what scares some people (me too) is the potential high dollar value of a single repair. I personally plan on keeping my m340 for probably 7 years or more. |
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Thanks a bunch for all your posts =D
I actually do almost everything on my 180K e90 . Sensors, valve cover gaskets, water pump, bumper replacements , etc. I don't take my car to the shop since I know even with the e90 they'll charge a bunch. Do you think I can do the same with the G20 2019 to save maintenance and shop money? |
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Mine was as very early build (11/18). At about 3 months the convenience key system went south so the only way I could start the car was by placing the key fob by the steering column.
It took them about 3 weeks to fix it and required help from Munich. Since then, it's been perfect at 14k miles so far. It's not getting much use these days however. I hope it holds together since I really like it and I bought rather than leased. |
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Okay so the e90 vs G20 ... would you guys still recommend the G20 ?
I also heard that the steering wheel on the G20 is now tighter unlike the F30 but still not as tight as the e90 hydraulic ? |
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Apparently not if it needs replacing. My point is, the technology is very expensive, and that something like just a headlight (not including labor) outside of the 4/50 warranty, can cost as much as a used Corolla so keeping long-term, it can be expected that maintenance/upkeep is likely more expensive than your E90.
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Any issues with the electronic power steering and the LCD dashboard & Navi screen? I'm just terrified if it fails since it's no longer hydraulic. |
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Also keep in mind early adopters are sacrificing experience for a short period exclusivity. Early production anything whether it be a car or technology won't be as well put together compared to the very same thing a couple months later. The first batch or two of production still have minor kinks that need to be worked out and the customer is the guinea pig. They'll fix those few minor issues on the production line as most common issues start trickling in.
BMW's in general aren't very well known(no German auto manufacturer really is) for being 'reliable'. J.D. Power survey's are also a joke. I wouldn't use that as a source for reliability or anything else for that matter. Will BMW fix some of the niggles over the cars lifecycle? Absolutely. |
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So far in my experience it hasn't been terrible but it also hasn't been amazing. That being said, I might be falling in the camp of "who cares it's a BMW and performs as such". The performance has definitely outweighed any issues I've had...whereas with Lexus and Audi in my past, it was the opposite.
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the b58 has been pretty reliable thus far.... and the turbo 4 issues thus far have been the timing chain guide issue on the n20. But the new 3 series has the new B48 / b58. I feel like this car is going to be fairly reliable, bmw has been pretty reliable just in general since the F series generation cars as it is.
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