[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by jm490

It could take turns at absurd speeds with confidence but I could never get over that feeling like it just felt bland to me like the steering wheel wasn’t giving me the correct feedback of the road. It could have been because I was dailying a GT3 up until 2021 !

Uh, yeah, that MIGHT have something to do with it, lol. Not too many cars give you as much road feedback as a GT3.

[jm490]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Uh, yeah, that MIGHT have something to do with it, lol. Not too many cars give you as much road feedback as a GT3.

It absolutely might have something to do with it but the steering feels so bland that I don't think that even if I never drove a Porsche I would think its good. Its been the general sentiment and feeling across the forums and a known issue. That's why I was asking if the CS really changed on any of that because that was my biggest issue.

[shawnhayes]

I'm not sure I entirely agree with all the comparisons, and the statement especially about steering feedback. BOTH of these cars have decent steering feedback. Driving both these cars on the street isn't really unlocking their full potential. First OP and I both have to finish the break ins to fully open them up.

On the STREET, the M5 CS is a great 5 series with better seats and slightly less weight. The M3 CS is a slightly lighter and hard edged 3 series. At legal speeds, these cars just aren't that different. I know what my M5 CS is like on the track. I don't know about mine and my girlfriends M3 CS will be like ..... but hopefully we'll know soon.



Shawn

[Evinrude1975]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

I'm not sure I entirely agree with all the comparisons, and the statement especially about steering feedback. BOTH of these cars have decent steering feedback. Driving both these cars on the street isn't really unlocking their full potential. First OP and I both have to finish the break ins to fully open them up.

On the STREET, the M5 CS is a great 5 series with better seats and slightly less weight. The M3 CS is a slightly lighter and hard edged 3 series. At legal speeds, these cars just aren't that different. I know what my M5 CS is like on the track. I don't know about mine and my girlfriends M3 CS will be like ..... but hopefully we'll know soon.



Shawn

Waiting for the m2 CS 😂

[Evinrude1975]

As I’ve already mentioned I’m not a good driver and I’m using 40% of its potential. However what impressed me how agile and fast it is. After 950 miles I’m suprised I haven’t got a ticket yet or a night in jail. This thing should be illegal… but luckily it’s not

[kennybead]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

I'm not sure I entirely agree with all the comparisons, and the statement especially about steering feedback. BOTH of these cars have decent steering feedback. Driving both these cars on the street isn't really unlocking their full potential. First OP and I both have to finish the break ins to fully open them up.

On the STREET, the M5 CS is a great 5 series with better seats and slightly less weight. The M3 CS is a slightly lighter and hard edged 3 series. At legal speeds, these cars just aren't that different. I know what my M5 CS is like on the track. I don't know about mine and my girlfriends M3 CS will be like ..... but hopefully we'll know soon.



Shawn

Like I mentioned in a different thread last week, we are basically splitting hairs between the two. I’m not at all surprised the M3CS is a mini M5CS. What amazes me is how close these two are to a GT3 car with room for the family.

[kennybead]

Originally Posted by Evinrude1975

As I’ve already mentioned I’m not a good driver and I’m using 40% of its potential. However what impressed me how agile and fast it is. After 950 miles I’m suprised I haven’t got a ticket yet or a night in jail. This thing should be illegal… but luckily it’s not

See you’ve just jinxed yourself now. Be careful out there.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by Evinrude1975

Waiting for the m2 CS 😂

I had a 2018 M2. It was slow as F***. Driving alone on a track the M2 is fine. With today's performance cars, if you like driving with other people, plan to get passed a lot.

A ragged out M2 with a brake upgrade, stripped out, race seats, and a tune? You're in business. But stock? Until then. Sure. It's as fun as riding a moped. But you don't tell your friends. Especially your 1/4 mile times.

Shawn

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by Evinrude1975

As I’ve already mentioned I’m not a good driver and I’m using 40% of its potential. However what impressed me how agile and fast it is. After 950 miles I’m suprised I haven’t got a ticket yet or a night in jail. This thing should be illegal… but luckily it’s not

This is 1000% true. For the STREET, this is a bad ass car. Street racing? Don't do that. Illegal, immoral, and dangerous. But the GT-R's will hand you your A**. All day. So don't. Still an awesome car.

Shawn

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by kennybead

Like I mentioned in a different thread last week, we are basically splitting hairs between the two. I’m not at all surprised the M3CS is a mini M5CS. What amazes me is how close these two are to a GT3 car with room for the family.

It's a better car for the family than a GT3 car. Dollar for dollar on the street, I agree with you. Don't line this up with a GT3 either on a 1/4 mile strip or on a track. Unless the GT3 is 10 years old or more, it will be a murder scene. With you as the victim. Awesome car, all the way around. But a real GT3 less than ten years old will leave you for dead. But much better for real life.

Shawn

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

Don't line this up with a GT3 either on a 1/4 mile strip or on a track. Unless the GT3 is 10 years old or more, it will be a murder scene. With you as the victim. Awesome car, all the way around. But a real GT3 less than ten years old will leave you for dead. But much better for real life.

Shawn

Really? A GT3 is decidedly quicker than an AWD G8X in a 1/4 mile???

On a track, yes, of course...but at a stoplight? The GT3 is going to leave a G8X for dead?

[malrash]

OP, did you own the m5 CS and lived with it, like you are living with your m3 CS?

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

Really? A GT3 is decidedly quicker than an AWD G8X in a 1/4 mile???

On a track, yes, of course...but at a stoplight? The GT3 is going to leave a G8X for dead?

I’m afraid so….

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/r...0s-215926.html

https://youtu.be/BKKrcga3y24

I love both my M5 CS and mine and my girlfriends M3 CS, but beating a modern GT3 for speed or time? I’m not fooling myself.

Shawn

[Chicane_]

As an ex-owner of a 992 GT3 and now a CSL, my butt dyno says the Bimmer would obliterate the Porsche in a straight line (from a roll, with warm tires).

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by Chicane_

As an ex-owner of a 992 GT3 and now a CSL, my butt dyno says the Bimmer would obliterate the Porsche in a straight line (from a roll, with warm tires).

More likely, the M3 CS would win from a standing start on older GT3’s, but that would be tire dependent.

Don’t get me wrong, I love mine and my girlfriends M3 CS, but I’ve shared the track with many a GT3 and waved to them as they went by. That includes the straights at VIR.

With a tune and great tires, maybe. But I’m not so sure I’d take a race for pinks with one. Porsche’s launch control is too consistent. Could be close. OP? You willing to find a GT3 to line up after break in service?

Shawn

[kennybead]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

More likely, the M3 CS would win from a standing start on older GT3’s, but that would be tire dependent.

Don’t get me wrong, I love mine and my girlfriends M3 CS, but I’ve shared the track with many a GT3 and waved to them as they went by. That includes the straights at VIR.

With a tune and great tires, maybe. But I’m not so sure I’d take a race for pinks with one. Porsche’s launch control is too consistent. Could be close. OP? You willing to find a GT3 to line up after break in service?

Shawn

I do actually. A friend has a 992 GT3 so I’ll see what we can do.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

More likely, the M3 CS would win from a standing start on older GT3’s, but that would be tire dependent.

Don’t get me wrong, I love mine and my girlfriends M3 CS, but I’ve shared the track with many a GT3 and waved to them as they went by. That includes the straights at VIR.

With a tune and great tires, maybe. But I’m not so sure I’d take a race for pinks with one. Porsche’s launch control is too consistent. Could be close. OP? You willing to find a GT3 to line up after break in service?

Shawn

You’re talking about getting waved by on a track. That’s way different than a drag.

The GT3 is not overly fast…..except that it’s launch control is fantastic. The PDK and the traction control is just phenomenal. And repeatable. But the GT3 lacks low end torque and if you’re not doing a full launch control, the M3 comp is gonna have the edge.

But you don’t drive a GT3 to drag race it. It’s a circuit car. And that’s why you get passed at VIR. It carries higher cornering speed and just puts down the power supernaturally. It’s spooky.

But from a roll, or non-launch control, I’d bet my money on the G8X.

Watch this and pay attention at the 6 minute mark. And then watch it reel the other cars in on the back straight. Not bad for not having Cup2’s.

The rest of the track of course goes to the RS because of the aero. It’s insane.

So yeah, in a straight line, without the factor of corner exit speed, I’d take the G8X. Now, a GTS? Hmmm, tougher.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by kennybead

I do actually. A friend has a 992 GT3 so I’ll see what we can do.

THAT would be cool.

Shawn

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

You’re talking about getting waved by on a track. That’s way different than a drag.

The GT3 is not overly fast…..except that it’s launch control is fantastic. The PDK and the traction control is just phenomenal. And repeatable. But the GT3 lacks low end torque and if you’re not doing a full launch control, the M3 comp is gonna have the edge.

But you don’t drive a GT3 to drag race it. It’s a circuit car. And that’s why you get passed at VIR. It carries higher cornering speed and just puts down the power supernaturally. It’s spooky.

But from a roll, or non-launch control, I’d bet my money on the G8X.

Watch this and pay attention at the 6 minute mark. And then watch it reel the other cars in on the back straight. Not bad for not having Cup2’s.

The rest of the track of course goes to the RS because of the aero. It’s insane.

So yeah, in a straight line, without the factor of corner exit speed, I’d take the G8X. Now, a GTS? Hmmm, tougher.

Cool video. Been there done that.

And we're bench racing. I'll still bet on the GT3. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's okay. Until they line up, nobody knows for sure.

Still, love my M3. Can't wait to finish break in.

Shawn

[Chicane_]

Roll races at 6:42 mark.

https://youtu.be/cgQBsghYraQ

[DC2RtoCT9Atof87]

Originally Posted by jm490

It absolutely might have something to do with it but the steering feels so bland that I don't think that even if I never drove a Porsche I would think its good. Its been the general sentiment and feeling across the forums and a known issue. That's why I was asking if the CS really changed on any of that because that was my biggest issue.

Again, this 100%. I still would like to know this answer as well. I’ve been chasing that gt3 (albeit, the last gt3 I was in was a 997) steering feel in a sedan and only two cars have come close to replicating- the CT9A and current gen CTR.

[PeregrineFalcon]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

It's a better car for the family than a GT3 car. Dollar for dollar on the street, I agree with you. Don't line this up with a GT3 either on a 1/4 mile strip or on a track. Unless the GT3 is 10 years old or more, it will be a murder scene. With you as the victim. Awesome car, all the way around. But a real GT3 less than ten years old will leave you for dead. But much better for real life.

Shawn

Actually, it would be the other way around!

Videos are done by the guys from the AutoTopNL. BMW M3CS is faster in every single metrics including 0-100 km/h, 0-200 km/h, 100-200 km/h 0-250 km/h and 0-400m.

On the track, the GT3 would have advantage, no doubt about it!