[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

Maybe this is what they’ve been saving Laguna Seca for.

I doubt it. Seems like they are either going to bring it back for some final special edition hurrah towards the end of the production cycle or just skip the G8x generation.

I do recall someone having said that it was available to order over in the EU but then I’ve also seen posts from others saying that the color had been officially retired.

Wish we could get a formal confirmation one way or the other.

['Cane]

Originally Posted by chicagofan00

I doubt it. Seems like they are either going to bring it back for some final special edition hurrah towards the end of the production cycle or just skip the G8x generation.

I do recall someone having said that it was available to order over in the EU but then I’ve also seen posts from others saying that the color had been officially retired.

Wish we could get a formal confirmation one way or the other.

Don’t be such a buzzkill.

[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

Don’t be such a buzzkill.

[Mako]

Originally Posted by 86zccrx

So you are assuming BMW has always underrated their engines except for the new models where they are going to be more in line with their actual numbers?
I am sure when the new ones come out they will have more power on the dyno. Whether anybody can actually feel the difference is a different story.

I see your point but I think the suspecion is because nothing changed with the engine. Did they really tune the boost or change anything or is it more marketing (bmw has changed) could be someone just decided “you know all the tests are showing it has more power, let’s just advertise it a little higher now”. No one will know until it’s on dyno right after an older version.

But no one is going to feel a 4% bump in power unless they changed the power band.

[manuelf]

Originally Posted by Mako

I see your point but I think the suspecion is because nothing changed with the engine. Did they really tune the boost or change anything or is it more marketing (bmw has changed) could be someone just decided “you know all the tests are showing it has more power, let’s just advertise it a little higher now”. No one will know until it’s on dyno right after an older version.

But no one is going to feel a 4% bump in power unless they changed the power band.

Aha. And what is the reason in your theory, that BMW anounced this "paper only" power increase just for the Competition xDrive versions, but not for the rest???

I have a different theory: Before the LCI RWD M4 Comp were slightly faster at higher speeds (100 km/h - 200 km/h) due to less drivetrain losses. So the "lesser" /cheaper RWD beats its more expensive brother. The hp bump for the xDrive fixes this. A further hint: the press material for the G82/G83 LCI explicitly mentiones a 0,5s quicker 0-200 km/h time for the MxDrive versions.

[FrozenGT]

Horsepower increment is due to weight of the Xdrive but also the fact that the extra system makes it safer to handle more horsepower. Why do you need so much horsepower going to such a narrow tires.. the CSL has special suspension tuning however, if you give that car too much horsepower, it spends out all over the place.

[Hit_Apex]

Patiently awaiting release of the M4 CS Nürburgring lap time. Common sense would suggest a second or two faster than the M3 CS.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by FrozenGT

Horsepower increment is due to weight of the Xdrive but also the fact that the extra system makes it safer to handle more horsepower. Why do you need so much horsepower going to such a narrow tires.. the CSL has special suspension tuning however, if you give that car too much horsepower, it spends out all over the place.

Cars journalists like to refer to as a "driver's car" such as Viper, Carrera GT, GT2, C7 Z06, just to name a few, are designed to push through compromises and require some level of skill to operate and enjoy. Thankfully, not every car is intended to cater to the lowest common denominator of ability and we are free to choose across a wide spectrum of performance.

[NotSharocks]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

It’s not going to have either, they’re going back to xenon HID lights from E92.

Booo I wanted a headlight duct for maximum gainz and weight reduction.

Once again BMW fails.

[Predatar]

Originally Posted by geighty

I just picked up my M3 CS last night. Whole difference experience IMO from the 23 M3 Comp I had.

No way! Can you elaborate?

[jdhiro]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

Patiently awaiting release of the M4 CS Nürburgring lap time. Common sense would suggest a second or two faster than the M3 CS.

Why is that exactly?

[SwankPeRFection]

Originally Posted by jdhiro

Why is that exactly?

AWD would allow for more throttle through and out of corners without needing to worry about too much wiggle from the back end. Just gun it and go. Improved traction is worth some time even if it is a tiny bit heavier with the back seats and front diff setup. The trunk may also be the normal one too, so no carbon duck tail like the CSL… we’ll have to see about that though, maybe we get lucky and get the trunk lid.

['Cane]

Originally Posted by SwankPeRFection

AWD would allow for more throttle through and out of corners without needing to worry about too much wiggle from the back end. Just gun it and go. Improved traction is worth some time even if it is a tiny bit heavier with the back seats and front diff setup. The trunk may also be the normal one too, so no carbon duck tail like the CSL… we’ll have to see about that though, maybe we get lucky and get the trunk lid.

M3CS and M4CS are (well, theoretically since M4CS hasn’t been officially announced) both AWD.

[S58_M177]

Originally Posted by 86zccrx

So you are assuming BMW has always underrated their engines except for the new models where they are going to be more in line with their actual numbers?
I am sure when the new ones come out they will have more power on the dyno. Whether anybody can actually feel the difference is a different story.

Exactly! BMW was pretty open about the power bumps coming from a small boost in turbo pressure. People are claiming it's a correction, but if the boost pressure is upped, then so to the actual horsepower, maintaining the gap between posted and actual HP.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by jdhiro

Why is that exactly?

Identical specs but the M4 CS is slightly lighter than the M3 CS. There is another school of thought that the M3 is slightly stiffer yielding marginally favorable handling. Either way, their times will be very close to each other and far off the CSL.

[jdhiro]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

Identical specs but the M4 CS is slightly lighter than the M3 CS. There is another school of thought that the M3 is slightly stiffer yielding marginally favorable handling. Either way, their times will be very close to each other and far off the CSL.

Yes, VERY slight weight and rigidity differences will add up. But I don't see that being a 2-second benefit to the M4 on the ring.

Anyways, hoping for a new M3 CS personally.

[RichardGM4]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

M3 CS will have 4 doors and laser headlights, and the M4 CS will have 2 doors and laser taillights (and a few different color options).

Missed the point / question 🤷🏼‍♂️

['Cane]

Originally Posted by RichardGM4

Missed the point / question 🤷🏼‍♂️

Yeah, maybe I did misread it. More power, less comfort features, some better resale value perhaps. I had the opportunity to grab an M3 CS, but just didn’t see the sense is spending the extra over my Comp xDrive since it’s just getting me around town, and I’ll never track it.

[willyp]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

Patiently awaiting release of the M4 CS Nürburgring lap time. Common sense would suggest a second or two faster than the M3 CS.

Agreed will be interesting, I dont think they have gotten an accurate time on the M3 CS either yet... Cold day and they couldn't get the cup 2R or something like that if I remember correctly.

I bet they will rent it and try again sometime early this year. Probably m3 CS, M4 CS, M2 CS, and maybe the new M5??? Kinda curious to see the M5 time as well.

[kjx]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

Identical specs but the M4 CS is slightly lighter than the M3 CS. There is another school of thought that the M3 is slightly stiffer yielding marginally favorable handling. Either way, their times will be very close to each other and far off the CSL.

Why would an M3 CS with 4 doors and a higher roofline have a stiffer chassis than a 2-door M4 CS with a lower roofline?

I expect the M4 CS will be faster as it’s actually going to be stiffer, lighter and slightly more aerodynamically slippery. And it’d benefit from a marginally longer time to market, whatever incremental improvements in manufacturing quality and outcomes from engineering track time have happened.

BMW has been releasing the special editions in ascending order of performance to keep consumer and press interest alive - so I wouldn’t be surprised if the M4 CS is the best yet in the generation. The only question would be if this is the pinnacle or if there’s more to come.

[50JahreQC]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

Identical specs but the M4 CS is slightly lighter than the M3 CS. There is another school of thought that the M3 is slightly stiffer yielding marginally favorable handling. Either way, their times will be very close to each other and far off the CSL.

Far off the CSL with the same tires? I don't think so, maybe a small difference...

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by 50JahreQC

Far off the CSL with the same tires? I don't think so, maybe a small difference...

BMW tested these cars on the Ring in their factory-equipped trim. I'm not speaking in hypotheticals about tires or other differences in equipment and weight. Hypothetically, BMW could have spec'd the PSC2R for the CS, but chose the PSC2 instead. 10.6s slower for the M3 CS to me is far off, it's ok if you have a different adjective scale.