Production Begins For BMW 4 Series G22 and 5 Series LCI at Dingolfing

Teutonic · 07-02-2020, 01:30 AM

Here ladies and gentlemen is a real proof that some designers can not pass the sketch level...
Maybe I will accept that if this team was designing the basic Tata vehicle.

Terrible is just a nice way to tell BMW "this is crap"!

Should I cry or should I laugh?
Lately I am just

mathys · 07-02-2020, 03:41 AM

None of those cars look good in the pictures. That grey G30 looks horrendous, with the ugliest wheels I've ever seen on a BMW.

Loma · 07-02-2020, 04:35 AM

It's OK until you see the car dead front. It looks comical not a tad aggressive from that perspective. Like a caricature of a piggy car.

FrostNixon · 07-02-2020, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ted8715

The 4er is growing on me, looks quite good in some of these photos, and that color!

The LCI 5er still seems like the front and rear don't match and all the wheels I've seen look hideous. I maybe biased though owning a 2019.

Regardless, I think it is amazing how multiple models and pre-LCI and LCI vehicles all roll down the same line with just in time manufacturing. It was really cool to see in person at Plant Spartanburg.

Lastly, why do they have to tease us with the forbidden 5er Touring in the background of nearly every shot!

I agree there is something wrong with the LCI 5er. The rear looks too aggressive and sporty, while the front has that relaxed, limousine, comfortable feeling.

IB M · 07-02-2020, 07:18 AM

One positive - the 4 series can no longer be confused for a two door 3 series.

heavyD^2 · 07-02-2020, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by VetteGuy

Now Im shopping for a new daily driver sport coupe, and while I think they could have done a better job with the grill on the 4, it’s only one element of an overall vastly more attractive car than the old 4, or even the current 3, and it might just surprisingly increase sales.

Totally agreed. It's the cleanest BMW design in some time and an improvement on the F80/82 that looked dated years ago.

GOLFFRR · 07-02-2020, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

given your name, I would say that the new 4 is a bad, bad slice into an adjacent fairway hard up against a permanent stone fence.

lol classic

SteveinArizona · 07-02-2020, 10:11 AM

Please, please...don't ever show me a close up picture of this again!

435MSport6Speed · 07-02-2020, 11:49 AM

My F32 is a stone cold fox next to this. I'm an optimist - they'll fix the front during the refresh.

Sedan_Clan · 07-02-2020, 11:55 AM

I think it turned out well in the flesh.

SteveinArizona · 07-02-2020, 01:23 PM

I think the problem with the grill is the verticality of it. Yes...BMW had some relatively tall grills in the old days but those cars had tall fenders so the tall grill fitted in.

Modern cars are primarily horizontal, especially performance cars. The tall, Edsel Bugs Bunny grills make the cars look comical whereas a horizontal grill helps make them look aggressive.

I don't buy a BMW to purchase a car from a television cartoon series.

I am not a fan of the larger grills on the 7 and 8 series and the X7 but I can tolerate them if everything else is okay. But I can't tolerate the Edsel/Bugs Bunny grills.

My current car had an msrp of >$73K. Unless BMW gets it design act together, it will be my last.

chrisny · 07-03-2020, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Loma

It's OK until you see the car dead front. It looks comical not a tad aggressive from that perspective. Like a caricature of a piggy car.

It's not even just the size of the grills, it's also the shape. It's crap. Even smaller, they'd be ugly. Larger could've worked better with better shaping. Smaller with better shape, even better. Something like this car maybe? That would make a sick 4 series. Wait, what's that thing the back window does? Some sort of... kink? 😉

Bimmer North · 07-03-2020, 04:20 PM

Just want to confirm front grill still not growing on me. Actually it is getting worse.

SteveinArizona · 07-03-2020, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mathys

None of those cars look good in the pictures. That grey G30 looks horrendous, with the ugliest wheels I've ever seen on a BMW.

Yeah...but at least one can throw out the pictures. The Edsel/Bugs Bunny grills won't fit in my garbage can.

J-RO · 07-03-2020, 06:42 PM

What a shame!

RinconHeat · 07-04-2020, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Loma

It's OK until you see the car dead front. It looks comical not a tad aggressive from that perspective. Like a caricature of a piggy car.

I can't help but see a Guild Navigator...

toddwalton · 07-04-2020, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer North

Just want to confirm front grill still not growing on me. Actually it is getting worse.

Same here. My F36 is about to expire and this F33 I scrambled to find and ordered the day I saw the G22 leak is waiting on a vessel. This will buy me 36 months to see if the G26 LCI improves things. Not hopeful.

TTG · 07-04-2020, 04:46 PM

Just horrible! Those, who are considering ordering 4 series should immediately start their own support group / forum.

We will come over and remind you how ugly your car is every time you post pictures of it.

I wonder if iND or others will offer a front-end conversion with smaller grills? Now that would be something worth considering.

2000Z3M · 07-05-2020, 01:26 PM

It isn't only the grills, now buck teeth, but the body lines are all different too, no more kink, no more crease on the body across the door handles. I just can't get over all of it.

ETA: I see that BMW is still having issues with orange peal with white cars

LayneMarkJohnson · 07-09-2020, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Teutonic

Here ladies and gentlemen is a real proof that some designers can not pass the sketch level...
Maybe I will accept that if this team was designing the basic Tata vehicle.

Terrible is just a nice way to tell BMW "this is crap"!

Should I cry or should I laugh?
Lately I am just

I passed on my 3rd 4 series, and this may sound weird, but I got an X3 M40i and couldn't be happier. Makes my 440i seem sluggish. I'll wait until BMW gets its design senses back before getting another 4er.

LayneMarkJohnson · 07-09-2020, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisny

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loma

It's OK until you see the car dead front. It looks comical not a tad aggressive from that perspective. Like a caricature of a piggy car.

It's not even just the size of the grills, it's also the shape. It's crap. Even smaller, they'd be ugly. Larger could've worked better with better shaping. Smaller with better shape, even better. Something like this car maybe? That would make a sick 4 series. Wait, what's that thing the back window does? Some sort of... kink? 😉

I'd buy one!

Sedan_Clan · 07-09-2020, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 2000Z3M

It isn't only the grills, now buck teeth, but the body lines are all different too, no more kink, no more crease on the body across the door handles. I just can't get over all of it.

ETA: I see that BMW is still having issues with orange peal with white cars

There's a very visible kink. I'm not sure why the presence of a kink is even an issue. It was a GM design cue adopted by BMW in the early 60's.

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