[thekidd]

Can't wait to see one in person! My neck will break but hopefully it's a good feeling. I am however wondering why M is being splattered in more places on non-M cars.

[SabineBimmer]

This is such spoon-fed BS!

So the head exterior designer starts to fumble the interview by referring to some buyers liking to show off and then detouring to heritage this and heritage that... "Heritage...upright, very strong kidneys in the past. 328, 3.0 CS."

...And then the interviewer almost shits himself as he comes to the E9. You can almost hear it come out as he approaches the car.

What do they start out with? Everything BUT the grille. And oh by the way, the E9 does not have 'strong kidneys.'

Oh this car will turn heads. But I don't think it will translate into sales, but I've said this before, let us vote with our wallets. We'll see.

[OG///M]

Originally Posted by SabineBimmer

This is such spoon-fed BS!

So the head exterior designer starts to fumble the interview by referring to some buyers liking to show off and then detouring to heritage this and heritage that... "Heritage...upright, very strong kidneys in the past. 328, 3.0 CS."

...And then the interviewer almost shits himself as he comes to the E9. You can almost hear it come out as he approaches the car.

What do they start out with? Everything BUT the grille. And oh by the way, the E9 does not have 'strong kidneys.'

Oh this car will turn heads. But I don't think it will translate into sales, but I've said this before, let us vote with our wallets. We'll see.

Yes. Please let's vote with our wallets. I just love how they keep bringing up the classic cars but not realizing it doesn't do anything to justify this monstrosity.

I'm waiting to see
how many people will buy this because it's new and has a BMW badge?
how many people will lease this because their last lease expired?

Some how in this day and age of "followers", it seems like once you establish a brand, no matter how you mess up and destroy it, there will always be blind followers willing to fork out cash for it.

I hope to be proven wrong.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Encanto

Somehow this new window line and the removal of the kink look like an effort to be un-BMW for no particular reason. I mean, this looks like anything else but a BMW from this angle:

There is a kink right there in front of your face. Sure, it's shaped differently due to the design of the car, but it's disingenuous to state there's no kink and then post a photo of a rear window with a "General Motors" kink (...especially since he talks about the kink and the revised/redesigned crease alongside the car in the video).


P.S. That gray looks really good, as does the CF rear diffuser.

[advantage20]

I'm aware that this designer's native language isn't English, but still, he seems to babble and struggle finding stuff that would be new and relevant for us to hear. i.e. his own personal take on the car's design, or a few more insights into the secretive design process, things that we otherwise wouldn't be familiar with. Not again the same overused comments about the bold and expressive grille and how it relates to the old 3.0 CS, or the new interpretation of the Hofmeister kink, which we in the public have already heard 100 times... And we've had the same boring formatted interview type inputs from Dukec and van Hooydonk. You'll find more pertinent, original and thought-provoking remarks and analyses on the forums to be fair

[JB M4]

If I was a designer I'd rather someone say "wow" than "wtf", when they first see my design...I can see where they are going with this, everyone used to complain that the cars started looking like Hyundi's all of them were starting to look the same so they had to do something radical... you can radically change the body and make it look crazy amazing but knowing BMW everything uses the same floor platform so all you have left that you can change is the nose and grill...as the guy said, he had to fight hard to put those extra creases in the body due costs...The cheapest way to radically change your cars look and still be cost affective is to change the nose and the grill because it's all plastic...Audi and Lexus did it when people started complaining that their cars were looking too alike between year models

[Alan l.]

Best BMW design to date?? Please let me know what you are smoking....

This thing is the most radical departure for BMW from a design perspective. There is nothing left that makes it looks like a BMW anymore. Might as well slap a Hyundai badge on it and everyone would flame its ugly as sin.

This button nose abomination will never sell like its predecessors. The competition is improving while BMW is releasing this dog poo.

Alan

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

Best BMW design to date?? Please let me know what you are smoking....

This thing is the most radical departure for BMW from a design perspective. There is nothing left that makes it looks like a BMW anymore. Might as well slap a Hyundai badge on it and everyone would flame its ugly as sin.

This button nose abomination will never sell like its predecessors. The competition is improving while BMW is releasing this dog poo.

Alan

....and if/when you're wrong and the car sells equally as well as, or better than, its predecessors, what would/will you say then?

We should be careful with the use of the word, "never."

[Encanto]

So you named it a "General Motors" kink while I am saying that the kink is "un-BMW".

I guess that we are saying the same thing.

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

There is a kink right there in front of your face. Sure, it's shaped differently due to the design of the car, but it's disingenuous to state there's no kink and then post a photo of a rear window with a "General Motors" kink (...especially since he talks about the kink and the revised/redesigned crease alongside the car in the video).


P.S. That gray looks really good, as does the CF rear diffuser.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Encanto

So you named it a "General Motors" kink while I am saying that the kink is "un-BMW".

I guess that we are saying the same thing.

You asserted that the kink, as it sits on the G22, was unlike BMW (...just because they changed the angle of the kink to coincide with the lines of the car), when the reality is the kink wasn't a BMW thing to begin with and many other manufacturers utilize the same design in their cars. So, if we are to accept the fact that GM started the kink and it was later adopted by BMW in the 60's, why even focus so much on its presence or absence to begin with?!?

[Alan l.]

If it sells then great for BMW and hopefully that means they have more money in the bank to produce M cars that I do like.

This 4 series is just ugly in my eyes and I am a die hard BMW "fanboy" as my friends would call me.

Alan

[hellrotm]

"Modern interpretation".

LOL...thats a good one.

Nice try. It is Miss Piggy...period.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

No they don't have to. They do this with every model.

The 4 is the best looking BMW right now. It looks mean, aggressive, expensive, luxurious. I don't like the back very much though, as it's too ordinary and doesn't match with the bold front fascia.

The 8 takes the cake

However I do appreciate your enthusiasm

[solstice]

Is the G22 on display at the Welt and is the Welt open? It would be great to have a bimmerpost member or two from Munich heading over there and let us know what they think after seeing it IRL.

[bobloblaw]

Originally Posted by Encanto

Somehow this new window line and the removal of the kink look like an effort to be un-BMW for no particular reason. I mean, this looks like anything else but a BMW from this angle:

For whatever reason, BMW is using the weird double-kink from the X4 and 6GT on their new coupes. Odd choice, and it looks clunky and not very sleek to me.

[NorCalAthlete]

Originally Posted by solstice

Is the G22 on display at the Welt and is the Welt open? It would be great to have a bimmerpost member or two from Munich heading over there and let us know what they think after seeing it IRL.

Preferably 2 BP members. One who likes it / is ambivalent and one who hates it.

Might I also propose they meet up for a couple beers first and then livestream the conversation as they do a walkaround?

[J-RO]

Deep down inside even the designers know they created shit.

[NorCalAthlete]

I find it curious that everyone is so focused on the grills, nobody else seems to have caught the live broadcast comments on the all-electric 4. The way he said it implied (to my ears at least) that the G22 would have an all-electric powertrain option. He did not differentiate between the G22 4-series and the i4 as one might have thought.

[VetteGuy]

Agreed... The new G22 is simply the ICE stablemate to the upcoming all electric i4.

[NorCalAthlete]

Originally Posted by VetteGuy

Agreed... The new G22 is simply the ICE stablemate to the upcoming all electric i4.

Not gonna lie, I'd be interested in an all electric G22 if it did 0-60 in < 4 seconds and had at least a 350 mile range. Assuming they kept it under $50k or so anyway to compete with the Tesla Model 3. I'd much prefer a BMW to a Tesla.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by VetteGuy

Agree. Very awkward interview especially questions unrelated to the designer's role in exterior design. I think he answered the relevant questions though, and adequately explained the tram's exterior design of the car.

Like the new 8th generation Corvette which is attracting buyers 20-25 years younger than the traditional a Corvette buyer, this new Bimmer may appeal to younger buyers who will keep the BMW 3/4 series sports sedans and coupes alive. That said... I am and old guy who has always appreciated the 318 and 325, but also finds the G22 a refreshing spin on the heritage of the 3/4 series cars.

I personally think all of the BMW grills have become less than attractive, but each model remains a great car in their classes.

I think the new G22 is fresh and will sell briskly. It's an evolution of the heritage and has a contemporary kidney and even a minimalist Hofmeister kink.

Being a Corvette enthusiast who is considering a new M 3/4 series daily driver, I can compare this debate about the new G22 to the new C8 Corvette, which a lot of traditionalists are cursing, especially it's Camaro like rear, but which is literally already sold out well into 2021

Cars evoke passion so this debate is understandable, but right now I'm liking the G22 over the G20.

We're not buying it

[SchwarzerReiter]

Originally Posted by bmw34me

Funny how BMW has to do stuff like this to try and convince their buyers the 4 series isn't ugly

It is not ugly, please believe us!