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      10-27-2019, 08:30 AM   #89
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Hi there,

Just test-driven a 330e and got 8.5l/100 after battery depleted. This was a 60km drive, with open "national" road driving (68.5km/h) and 10km highway (not above 130km/h). Tried to drive economically. The start point was 300m altitude higher than the end point, and the route was not flat. I also set the route on GPS, as it is supposed to make the car make better use of the electric motor.
I found this to be quite disappointing result for the amount of technology the car (was supposed to) have.
What millage are you getting for long trips, after the battery depletes?

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      10-27-2019, 10:23 AM   #90
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Hi there,

Just test-driven a 330e and got 8.5l/100 after battery depleted. This was a 60km drive, with open "national" road driving (68.5km/h) and 10km highway (not above 130km/h). Tried to drive economically. The start point was 300m altitude higher than the end point, and the route was not flat. I also set the route on GPS, as it is supposed to make the car make better use of the electric motor.
I found this to be quite disappointing result for the amount of technology the car (was supposed to) have.
What millage are you getting for long trips, after the battery depletes?

Thanks
Highway driving is not a strong point for hybrids. If you put on the display that shows which motor is being used, you will see that on highways in auto mode you are mostly using the ICE.

Also, once the battery is depleted you will mostly be using the ICE with the battery primarily providing boost.

If fuel efficiency is your goal, and you do mostly highway driving, then a hybrid phev is probably not the best vehicle for you.
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      10-27-2019, 10:27 AM   #91
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Highway driving is not a strong point for hybrids. If you put on the display that shows which motor is being used, you will see that on highways in auto mode you are mostly using the ICE.

Also, once the battery is depleted you will mostly be using the ICE with the battery primarily providing boost.

If fuel efficiency is your goal, and you do mostly highway driving, then a hybrid phev is probably not the best vehicle for you.
Agreed.
But I was expecting a better millage from the PHEV than the bare 320i petrol. With all the downhills from the route, I was hoping all the recuperations and battery management the 330e does would result in something lower than 8.5l/100 .
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      10-28-2019, 07:14 AM   #92
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Highway driving is not a strong point for hybrids. If you put on the display that shows which motor is being used, you will see that on highways in auto mode you are mostly using the ICE.

Also, once the battery is depleted you will mostly be using the ICE with the battery primarily providing boost.

If fuel efficiency is your goal, and you do mostly highway driving, then a hybrid phev is probably not the best vehicle for you.
For you guys in the US, just to give you the better sense for these numbers, my modest G20 318diesel uses less then 6.5l/100km when cruising at 150kmh(=94mph). At 170kmh(=106mph) consumption is around 7,5l/100km, and at 180kmh(=112mph) at 8.2l/100km. Nothing comes even close to diesels when doing high-speed highway driving. That's why they're still so popular in europe.

In most EU markets, hybrids sales would plummet if the government stopped giving subsidies and tax deductions on them as the financial side of hybrids still can't beat diesel cars, not even closely.
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      10-28-2019, 07:39 AM   #93
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The PHEV really only makes sense when you can charge the battery. I can’t fathom lots of people drive more than 40km to go to work in Europe. So if you have a plug at work you are at 0L/100km... if you can’t plug in then of course it doesn’t make sense.
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The PHEV really only makes sense when you can charge the battery. I can’t fathom lots of people drive more than 40km to go to work in Europe. So if you have a plug at work you are at 0L/100km... if you can’t plug in then of course it doesn’t make sense.
Without subsidies, it still doesn't make economical sense.

The price difference between 320d/320i and 330e with equal equipment is so big that an average "commuter" owner could drive a fossil fueled car for at least 10-15 years and the total cost of ownership would still be thousands of euros less than a hybrid car over that period. This car economically makes sense only with government subsidies. There are some non-bmw Plug-in hybrids on the market that are better priced, but they're still significantly pricier than their fossil-fueled versions, and the numbers without subsidies still don't work.

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      10-28-2019, 11:14 AM   #95
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Oh I here you. Here there is a 4k incentive for now and the only other models are the 330i or the M340i. The incentive pretty much covers the price delta with the 330i but the fuel savings make it interesting (depending on your situatuon of course). 40km would cover 90% of my driving. My problem is that many PHEVs or EVs dont lease well. Like very badly. Hopefully the 330e has decent residuals. It's advantageous to lease through my business. I inquired about the etron the other week. You are basically a moron if you lease it (or a multi millionaire like a friend of mine...)
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Oh I here you. Here there is a 4k incentive for now and the only other models are the 330i or the M340i. The incentive pretty much covers the price delta with the 330i but the fuel savings make it interesting (depending on your situatuon of course). 40km would cover 90% of my driving. My problem is that many PHEVs or EVs dont lease well. Like very badly. Hopefully the 330e has decent residuals. It's advantageous to lease through my business. I inquired about the etron the other week. You are basically a moron if you lease it (or a multi millionaire like a friend of mine...)
If you have charging at home and at work, and 90% of your driving is commuting within the electric range and numbers with subsidies do work, it's a very interesting proposal if you can get a good lease rate.

A little OCD engineer in me likes the fact that the engine will get minimal short distance cold-runs and cold starts.
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      10-28-2019, 12:05 PM   #97
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If you have charging at home and at work, and 90% of your driving is commuting within the electric range and numbers with subsidies do work, it's a very interesting proposal if you can get a good lease rate.

A little OCD engineer in me likes the fact that the engine will get minimal short distance cold-runs and cold starts.
In Ireland the price difference on a lease between a 320d and a 330e is only about 10 euro a month so it makes no sense to ever go for the diesel unless doing crazy mileage and if the work commute is is within electric range (like for me) then it will always be cheaper to run the 330e fuel wise.
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In Ireland the price difference on a lease between a 320d and a 330e is only about 10 euro a month so it makes no sense to ever go for the diesel unless doing crazy mileage and if the work commute is is within electric range (like for me) then it will always be cheaper to run the 330e fuel wise.
In your circumstances, it's really a no brainer!
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      10-29-2019, 08:02 AM   #99
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Hi there,

Just test-driven a 330e and got 8.5l/100 after battery depleted. This was a 60km drive, with open "national" road driving (68.5km/h) and 10km highway (not above 130km/h). Tried to drive economically. The start point was 300m altitude higher than the end point, and the route was not flat. I also set the route on GPS, as it is supposed to make the car make better use of the electric motor.
I found this to be quite disappointing result for the amount of technology the car (was supposed to) have.
What millage are you getting for long trips, after the battery depletes?

Thanks
I have a daily trip of nearly 60 km (one way) Almost flat landscape (Netherlands), 90% highway, max 100kmh. In early cold and dark conditions I manage to do around 45 on full charge. In the afternoon I manage to get the full trip electrical occasionally, around 50-55 km usually.

I do this every single day. Filled up with gas 9 days ago, still have 90% left. It shows an average consumption of 99,9/liter, the max it can show.

I charge it twice a day.
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Highway driving is not a strong point for hybrids. If you put on the display that shows which motor is being used, you will see that on highways in auto mode you are mostly using the ICE.

Also, once the battery is depleted you will mostly be using the ICE with the battery primarily providing boost.

If fuel efficiency is your goal, and you do mostly highway driving, then a hybrid phev is probably not the best vehicle for you.
Not fully true. When using navigation the car looks for the most economic option. During my 60 km drive the ICE only kicks in during 5-10 km, sometimes on the highway and sometimes in the city when I accelerate firmly.

Generally speaking, the car prefers to use electric power on lower speeds and petrol power during higher speeds. But if it can, it will use electric power the whole highway trip. Makes sense: why would you wanna preserve electricity if you can use it to get to your destination. 9/10 times I get home with max 2 electrical km left.
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For my sorts of driving my 330e is perfect..

I have 12 km to my job, then i go back home(24km total) to go out with my dog=when am home i plug the fastcharger then back to job and back =total 45-50 km every day = 0.0/liter gas

i have the car 1 month now and i still have more then half tank !! Total driving 3200km

If i can drive like this i will go to petrolstation next year

And my car is so economical when i drive in 120Km/h the car need 0.60l/mil with petrol.. its really nofing !!


If you drive long runs you shud by a diesel not hybrid..
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For my sorts of driving my 330e is perfect..

I have 12 km to my job, then i go back home(24km total) to go out with my dog=when am home i plug the fastcharger then back to job and back =total 45-50 km every day = 0.0/liter gas

i have the car 1 month now and i still have more then half tank !! Total driving 3200km

If i can drive like this i will go to petrolstation next year

And my car is so economical when i drive in 120Km/h the car need 0.60l/mil with petrol.. its really nofing !!


If you drive long runs you shud by a diesel not hybrid..
And if you account for the cost of replacing the batteries after warranty (2000$ * 6? ) and the electricity bill, will that still be a good deal?
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      10-31-2019, 04:18 PM   #103
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And if you account for the cost of replacing the batteries after warranty (2000$ * 6? ) and the electricity bill, will that still be a good deal?
The car will be long sold before the batteries need replacing and electricity is always cheaper than petrol/diesel
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      10-31-2019, 07:35 PM   #104
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And if you account for the cost of replacing the batteries after warranty (2000$ * 6? ) and the electricity bill, will that still be a good deal?
And replacing an ICE in a regular car doesn't eventually have to happen? The batteries are warranted for a significant period of time and will likely last much longer than that.
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      11-01-2019, 12:18 PM   #105
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And replacing an ICE in a regular car doesn't eventually have to happen? The batteries are warranted for a significant period of time and will likely last much longer than that.
I have a pending order for 330e, but reading some reports of broken electric systems got me worried. Batteries and accessories, with repairs of 10k€+.
Makes me wonder if 330e will ever make economical sense.
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      11-01-2019, 12:41 PM   #106
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I had a 2016 330e and had battery problems. By the time they replaced the entire battery system, I had had it with BMW's attitude and forced it to buy the car back. Funny thing is that the company was awful at resolving my problems but wonderful once it agreed to a buyback. If it had been as good during the problems, I never would have forced it to buy the car back.

I replaced it with my current 530e (factory order--loaded to the gills). I have now had it for 22 months and the only problem was a bad latch on the storage compartment under the light switch (a minor annoyance that I waited until the car was in for maintenance and had them replace the unit then). So the electric system has been rock solid.

But in a loaded BMW there are plenty of components to go bad and they are all expensive to repair. The battery system does come with a warranty -- 8 years in my case, longer in certain states in the US. But I don't know what the warranty period is in Portugal.

I think I would worry more about all the components, including but not limited to the electrical system, when worrying about reliability.

My partial solution is that my auto insurance policy has a feature called "mechanical breakdown insurance". It basically picks up everything that BMW includes in its OEM warranty but runs it for the shorter of seven years or 100,000 miles with a $250/incident copay. So my current plan is to keep my 530e for seven years.
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@ricdanger I have my cars in 2 years only i dont care if the battery will not hold in 10 years or somfing , its okey for me man not my problems
Maybe you have that problem Life is hard somtimes !! be lucky and dont be so negativ..
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My trip today. Total of 59,5 km, avg speed 75,5 km/h.

I do not have my 330e yet, but, does it mean you did 57km with one charge?? And you still have 3km of electric range left and then less than 1l/100km of fuel consumption. Is that correct?
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Had mine since Friday, charging at the moment and it will reach 24 miles with 1 charge, so not quite the 37 miles advertised, I was expecting somewhere nearer 30 miles...
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