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      10-24-2019, 11:16 AM   #89
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I have the standard suspension and don't know what stiffness they're talking about. I would imagine the the adaptive suspension they tested is even more compliant. C+D is garbage.
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For those that have been waiting, Car and Driver has gotten their hands on a M340i and compared it to the G70.

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Highs: Big Power from a silken inline-6, big grip, big back seat, and trunk.
Lows: Big price, stiff ride, steering still a bit too numb for our liking.

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Highs: Strong performer, impressive ride and handling balance, undeniable value.
Lows: Not as quick in a straight line, tight back seat.

In the end, C/D does acknowledge that the M340i is a better driver's car due to its more refined and faster powertrain, and overall nicer and larger interior, but states that may not be enough to overcome the Genesis great pricing, and that overall, the Genesis isn't far behind the 3-Series, being able to do many things just as well or even better than the 3er.

Full Article -> https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...0-genesis-g70/
They got the rear wheel drive to do 3.8 to 60. Wonder what an Xdrive would do??
C and D times are always optimistic. They must be driving downhill to achieve those times.
I've been able to match them with all of my BMWs or beat their times on a non prepped surface.
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What? Steering in the M340 is loads better that recent models. Unless of coarse you need formula-1 steering in the way to work.
It's not even debatable at this point. The consensus from reviews (and my own driving impressions) are that the G20 is a way better car than the F30, but if you were expecting E90 levels of feedback you'll be disappointed. To add to that the car has simply become too large. Nobody's asking for a Formula 1 car, but what we do ask for is for a BMW 3-series to drive like ones that made C&D's 10 Best every year.

Our new choice for a compact sports saloon? A FWD Ford Focus with a kidney grille grafted up front.
I have a 2006 E90 and a 2020 M340 X-drive. I'll admit the E90 steering and feedback is like no other however at 54 y.o the M340 offers everything I need and more. I can live with the drive by wire steering.
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The Genesis is more of a disposable car than the 3er. And I would not want to own my bimmer long term. Hyundai is still not known for long term reliability, that title is and will always belong to Toyota. Genesis has to be priced 10k cheaper because they wouldn't be able to move any units and thus their only option is to sell on price. Even then, they're not flying off the shelves.
Even with the 10yr/100k mile warranty?
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The Genesis is more of a disposable car than the 3er. And I would not want to own my bimmer long term. Hyundai is still not known for long term reliability, that title is and will always belong to Toyota. Genesis has to be priced 10k cheaper because they wouldn't be able to move any units and thus their only option is to sell on price. Even then, they're not flying off the shelves.
Even with the 10yr/100k mile warranty?
They need the 10 year warranty to sell more cars. And that is just Powertrain warranty. If your AC goes out in the summer that's on you.
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A lot of insecure BMW owners really owning up to the stereotype here. You know Kia and Genesis are making good cars when you see these types of comments on a BMW forum, lol.

KIA is a brand Hyundai bought. Saying Genesis is a Kia is like saying BMW is a Mini (UKL platform cars anyone?) or that Mercedes is Smart. The G70 platform was developed as a purpose built luxury car platform that Kia shared as an affordable halo car. That doesn't 'make the G70 a Kia, not that that is even a bad thing these days. That just means Kia makes a car with a luxury car platform.

I've never owned or leased a Kia, Hyundai, or Genesis product in my life, but I don't tie my self-worth to the badge on my car so I can admit that they make good cars.
it's not insecurity, it's just a mismatch comparo
Just because kia stole german sell-outs engineers and hudai paid for these dumb comparos doesn't make those 2 cars on the same list.

what's next? velociter vs 911? and kia will win 'cause it's 1/3 the price?

The only car company that could build up to MB/BMW/Audi/Porsche level is Lexus and maybe partially Infiniti.
But Toyota makes amazing cars not like kia/huidai with their "me-too" cars to compete and undercut Camry/Civic/Accord/Corolla by 1-2K
Toyota make the best "real" SUVs in the world, sorry break-everyday Land Rover, it's true. Toyota makes amazing luxury cars and SUVs and could be elevated to other luxury brands with their Lexus line.
kia/huidai is not gonna get there, ever, not with their stupid Bentley wanna be logos or cute Genesis names.

Again, the only person who will buy a Kia over BMW is a person who wants to save money and pretend like it's almost as good. Those are who these type of reviews are catering to.

Reminds me of a guy wearing Invicta arguing with Submariner owner. Oh your Sub is only 300m WR well my Invicta has 1000m water resistance...Who cares, you just chuckle and walk away.
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The Genesis is more of a disposable car than the 3er. And I would not want to own my bimmer long term. Hyundai is still not known for long term reliability, that title is and will always belong to Toyota. Genesis has to be priced 10k cheaper because they wouldn't be able to move any units and thus their only option is to sell on price. Even then, they're not flying off the shelves.
Even with the 10yr/100k mile warranty?
They need the 10 year warranty to sell more cars. And that is just Powertrain warranty. If your AC goes out in the summer that's on you.
True, but that rarely occurs within the first 4-5 yrs of ownership anyways.
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What? Steering in the M340 is loads better that recent models. Unless of coarse you need formula-1 steering in the way to work.
It's not even debatable at this point. The consensus from reviews (and my own driving impressions) are that the G20 is a way better car than the F30, but if you were expecting E90 levels of feedback you'll be disappointed. To add to that the car has simply become too large. Nobody's asking for a Formula 1 car, but what we do ask for is for a BMW 3-series to drive like ones that made C&D's 10 Best every year.

Our new choice for a compact sports saloon? A FWD Ford Focus with a kidney grille grafted up front.
I have a 2006 E90 and a 2020 M340 X-drive. I'll admit the E90 steering and feedback is like no other however at 54 y.o the M340 offers everything I need and more. I can live with the drive by wire steering.
I still miss the steering in my e90
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Even with the 10yr/100k mile warranty?
For me yes, but I have already spoken with my dollars. Ask the general public why Genesis is a slow seller. I guess the general populace are not swayed by their so called best in class warranty. Perhaps it takes more than that to sell cars in today's market.
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The Genesis is more of a disposable car than the 3er. And I would not want to own my bimmer long term. Hyundai is still not known for long term reliability, that title is and will always belong to Toyota. Genesis has to be priced 10k cheaper because they wouldn't be able to move any units and thus their only option is to sell on price. Even then, they're not flying off the shelves.
Even with the 10yr/100k mile warranty?
They need the 10 year warranty to sell more cars. And that is just Powertrain warranty. If your AC goes out in the summer that's on you.
True, but that rarely occurs within the first 4-5 yrs of ownership anyways.
Most people don't drive 10k miles a year so the warranty won't last 10 years anyway.
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it's not insecurity, it's just a mismatch comparo
Just because kia stole german sell-outs engineers and hudai paid for these dumb comparos doesn't make those 2 cars on the same list.

what's next? velociter vs 911? and kia will win 'cause it's 1/3 the price?

The only car company that could build up to MB/BMW/Audi/Porsche level is Lexus and maybe partially Infiniti.
But Toyota makes amazing cars not like kia/huidai with their "me-too" cars to compete and undercut Camry/Civic/Accord/Corolla by 1-2K
Toyota make the best "real" SUVs in the world, sorry break-everyday Land Rover, it's true. Toyota makes amazing luxury cars and SUVs and could be elevated to other luxury brands with their Lexus line.
kia/huidai is not gonna get there, ever, not with their stupid Bentley wanna be logos or cute Genesis names.

Again, the only person who will buy a Kia over BMW is a person who wants to save money and pretend like it's almost as good. Those are who these type of reviews are catering to.

Reminds me of a guy wearing Invicta arguing with Submariner owner. Oh your Sub is only 300m WR well my Invicta has 1000m water resistance...Who cares, you just chuckle and walk away.
You make it seem like the 3 series is some really nice car. It's an entry level luxury car (by American definitions). IMO, the F30 was pretty bad for the enthusiast. It has a relatively cheap interior compared to its direct competition, less power for its top end line (335/340 vs C43 vs S4), and didn't have the great handling/steering feel of previous BMWs. Its only saving grace, and the reason why I got my 335i was because of the manual transmission and to some extent the styling. IMO, the G70 is very comparable to the F30 generation but with better handling.

Comparing a G70 to a 3 series makes complete sense. Comparing a Hyundai Veloster to a 911 doesn't make any sense. You have a skewed sense of how good BMWs are if you think a 3 series is as good as or nicer than a 911. Because the G70 is surely nicer than a Veloster.
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Shows you both how other manufacturers have caught up (and in many cases surpassed) and how BMW has rested on its laurels.

They are trading on their old marketing still. The general public are slow to catch on.
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Shows you both how other manufacturers have caught up (and in many cases surpassed) and how BMW has rested on its laurels.

They are trading on their old marketing still. The general public are slow to catch on.
It used to be "Follow the Leader" but in many ways, it still is
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After reading all of these comments you guys make it sound like Hyundai slept with your wife!

Its a car brand, no need to get all hyped up and upset, enjoy what you have, not everyone has the opportunity to enjoy these great cars at all in their lives.
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After reading all of these comments you guys make it sound like Hyundai slept with your wife!

Its a car brand, no need to get all hyped up and upset, enjoy what you have, not everyone has the opportunity to enjoy these great cars at all in their lives.
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I did test drive the 3.3T, I am no loyal fanboy. I left BMW when the F30 debuted and got a Lexus 3IS which was a better drivers car then but slow. When i say Genesis is no Lexus I meant Lexus is well regarded, their cars are the most reliable bar none. They have the best resale values etc and their buyers are not running to Genesis, they're very loyal and rightfully so. Lexus makes some boring cars and some interesting ones but it is a fact their cars are reliable and they have great quality materials.

Running cost on almost all Lexus is significantly lower than any other luxury brand. It's why most Lexus's are purchased and not leased like the Germans. Those are facts and lest you forget, the large buying public are not enthusiast like us. They want quality and reliability and that's where Lexus dominates. Genesis has no such regard, the Kia Stinger for example is known to have numerous quality issues, stuff breaks on it that doesn't normally break on other cars. Lexus has their unique niche and their loyal client base. Genesis doesn't have that and probably never will. BMW guys buys BMW, same for Audi and Mercedes. It will take Genesis at least a decade before one say if they're a worthy competitor. Building a decent driver's car is one thing, finding people to sell them to is different.
There's another comment of yours i don't agree that Genesis will probably never have loyal client base. that's a big statement right there. I'm one of those loyal clients. I just find that their cars are super well built and is still a great value....if you purchase, not lease (for now). The big problem with Genesis right now is brand recognition and depreciation. this is not because they are not good cars, I think Hyundai and Kia are at no. 1 and no. 3 spot respectively in front of all car makers for owner satisfaction or dependability. in any case i'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. in the end i'm just happy that the car magazines see what i see in Genesis and are giving them some credit and comparing their great cars with the best out there like bmw and mercs. Genesis (and the Hyundai group) has made tremendous changes in the last 5 years and it shows in their cars. They are really well built, super reliable and a lot of fun to drive. I know all the people that really know about cars (like the people that review cars) know this, it's just that it takes time for people to change their view because Hyundai & Kia had a bad reputation in the past for unreliable cars etc (that darn pony and stellar lol!). but that's a thing of the past. btw did you see their new suv's (palissade and telluride)? much better than all their "weight class" including the ford explorer, toyota highlander, you name it. i'm telling you, they are doing things right and it's just a matter of time before they become the brand to own one day!
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After reading all of these comments you guys make it sound like Hyundai slept with your wife!

Its a car brand, no need to get all hyped up and upset, enjoy what you have, not everyone has the opportunity to enjoy these great cars at all in their lives.
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A lot of insecure BMW owners really owning up to the stereotype here. You know Kia and Genesis are making good cars when you see these types of comments on a BMW forum, lol.

KIA is a brand Hyundai bought. Saying Genesis is a Kia is like saying BMW is a Mini (UKL platform cars anyone?) or that Mercedes is Smart. The G70 platform was developed as a purpose built luxury car platform that Kia shared as an affordable halo car. That doesn't 'make the G70 a Kia, not that that is even a bad thing these days. That just means Kia makes a car with a luxury car platform.

I've never owned or leased a Kia, Hyundai, or Genesis product in my life, but I don't tie my self-worth to the badge on my car so I can admit that they make good cars.
it's not insecurity, it's just a mismatch comparo
Just because kia stole german sell-outs engineers and hudai paid for these dumb comparos doesn't make those 2 cars on the same list.

what's next? velociter vs 911? and kia will win 'cause it's 1/3 the price?

The only car company that could build up to MB/BMW/Audi/Porsche level is Lexus and maybe partially Infiniti.
But Toyota makes amazing cars not like kia/huidai with their "me-too" cars to compete and undercut Camry/Civic/Accord/Corolla by 1-2K
Toyota make the best "real" SUVs in the world, sorry break-everyday Land Rover, it's true. Toyota makes amazing luxury cars and SUVs and could be elevated to other luxury brands with their Lexus line.
kia/huidai is not gonna get there, ever, not with their stupid Bentley wanna be logos or cute Genesis names.

Again, the only person who will buy a Kia over BMW is a person who wants to save money and pretend like it's almost as good. Those are who these type of reviews are catering to.

Reminds me of a guy wearing Invicta arguing with Submariner owner. Oh your Sub is only 300m WR well my Invicta has 1000m water resistance...Who cares, you just chuckle and walk away.
Lol @ Submariners example. The most overrated and cliche watch in the world ever. As shite as Invictas are part of me would be rooting for the dude with the Invicta!!! lol

Your post has perfectly captured everything wrong with badge snobbery!

You're saying a Veloster vs. 911 comparison is like this Hyundai vs. 3er? Well you're wrong. The G70 is in a similar class of car and has every right to be compared.
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Lol @ Submariners example. The most overrated and cliche watch in the world ever. As shite as Invictas are part of me would be rooting for the dude with the Invicta!!! lol

Your post has perfectly captured everything wrong with badge snobbery!

You're saying a Veloster vs. 911 comparison is like this Hyundai vs. 3er? Well you're wrong. The G70 is in a similar class of car and has every right to be compared.
don't really wanna get deep into watches without knowing the audience but the Submariner is the most copied diver in the world and for a good reason. And the fact that you can't get them without waiting in line for several months and sometimes years in certain countries makes them underrated and undervalued, just look at the secondary/used market.....anyway...
Kia will never be a BMW no matter how much money they spend with every automotive publication. Same for Invicta vs Rolex.

Where I disagree with you is that Kia's size, amount of doors and engine displacement don't place it in the same class with BMW.
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The commentary from the review about the busy suspension and iDrive7 being difficult told me the reviewer was lacking seat time to fully understand the car... Probably had the suspension set aggressive and the iDrive has a learning curve that requires time to understand. I guarantee the same reviewer would be whistling a different tune if they had to live with the M340 for a month of commutes.

Important note to anyone researching buying between the two cars:

The price discrepancy is completely overstated when you start optioning the two cars out and researching the market. For starters, some of the extras in the review place the M340i beyond what the G70 offers. So cancel those options to make it an apples-to-apples comparison.

The M340i comes standard with a sports package and lots of other equipment for a base $54K. On the other hand, you need to take a base G70 and add the $5,600 sport package like they did in the review to make the cars anywhere near comparable. Now you need to take the base M340i and add premium package, driving assistance, 19" performance wheels, premium leather/ambient lighting, dynamic suspension, and park distance to make it a $51,245 vs $60,750 apples to apples comparison. Now head over to truecar and do market research on what sort of deal you can expect to get. There's less margin in the G70... so with good negotiating skills, expect to pay 49.5K for the aforementioned G70 and expect to pay $55.5K for the M340i. So the price discrepancy on average is $6K for a clearly superior car. It's not "a new Nissan Versa more" as the article erroneously suggests.

This often mentioned price discrepancy advantage is a load of crap peddled by Genesis apologists who won't accept that their car, based on its own merits, cannot stand up to BMW's latest engineering effort. Knowledge is power, so do your research and be an informed consumer. Feel free to copy/paste this in the car and driver comments section if you have a posting account there.

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