[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

All I simply said was the 2GC's rear end looks reminiscent of the 5GT, and that GT proportions were coming based on spy shots of the i4 and 4er Gran Coupe. You can take that as criticism if you want it but no where did I say it was ugly or stupid, I simply just said that taller GT proportions are going to be infused with GC design, as this was confirmed long ago on Bimmerpost when BMW cancelled all GT's.

This is the 4-Series thread, there isn't much positive here regardless of who posts it, this is probably the worst thread to be in if you are looking for positive comments regarding the 4er's design/BMW's future, because most enthusiasts simply don't like it, and have the right to voice their opinion on that with this new 4er being extremely controversial.

I'm still on Bimmerpost as I still own a BMW and still post lots of content here, many of the threads being positive (BMW being #1 in sales, many comparison tests of BMW winning, Apple Carplay coming for us, my fun time with a Z4 loaner) and have the right to do so. Earlier this month I wrote a whole thread on how the Z4 is a great vehicle in BMW's lineup, one that is so close to having me buy it if it had a manual. Did I give some constructive feedback on how the car could be a bit better? Yes, as no car is perfect, but if you read that article, I state it is one of my favorite modern BMW's and that owners are very lucky to have a great vehicle in their garages. It might not have been the most popular as the G29 forums are pretty quiet, but there is a lot of positive content there. On here I've helped voice my opinion as to what BMW perspective buyers should look at whether that be specific models, options, what to look out for reliability wise, what cars to compare it to, etc. As they've asked for the help of owners and I love to help out any way I can. I've congratulated new owners on their beautiful cars as I really am happy for them and that they've bought some great bimmers, and posted articles that I think people would find interesting such as Apple Carplay finally being free, or a comparison test between the Giulia and 3-Series.

Are there some articles where I have criticized BMW? Of course, but that is what many of us do. BMW will never be perfect, as no brand can, and criticism always can lead to a better and more positive future. If people hadn't criticized BMW charging for Apple Carplay a feature that is free in most economy cars, what else could BMW try to get us to pay subscriptions for? I do remember there was a rumor to make safety options a subscriptions, so sometimes, criticism is necessary.

Do I not like some new BMW's? Yes, BMW is not perfect, so of course I won't like everything they offer. I don't care for the 5 or 7 series and possibly this new 4-series' design, so if someone is asking for owners opinions on these vehicles, I'm always honest with how I felt about my 5er. Regarding the 2,3,X3,X5, and X7, I've stated many times that I do find these vehicles to be very good, and most of the times to be class leaders, and I have even shared posts about getting an X3 for myself on the G01 forums after my son takes his to college.

So yes, I do criticize BMW as I have the right to share my opinion even if certain people don't like it, but I have my fair share of praise and positive posts on here, and at the end of the day, this is the internet, there'll be plenty more people who will criticize or praise BMW as well.

You're entitled to your opinion, but you shouldn't make statements such as "most enthusiasts hate the design". There's no way for you to quantify that statement. The microcosm that is Bimmerpost is not representative of the world.

[Ristau]

Is it just me, or does anyone else get a Mustang-y vibe from the overall shape of the car (really noticed it in the video). Not a huge fan

[GuyOh]

Another render that i found.... It's hideous! 🤮

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by GuyOh

Another render that i found.... It's hideous! 🤮

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You're entitled to your opinion, but you shouldn't make statements such as "most enthusiasts hate the design". There's no way for you to quantify that statement. The microcosm that is Bimmerpost is not representative of the world.

It's a reasonable statement though. Any time I've seen the car posted anywhere on the internet where people have a chance to comment the comments are 95% negative. It's not just on here. I think you are about one of the only people I know who thinks it isn't hideous.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by snareman

It's a reasonable statement though. Any time I've seen the car posted anywhere on the internet where people have a chance to comment the comments are 95% negative. It's not just on here. I think you are about one of the only people I know who thinks it isn't hideous.

So for the thousands that will buy the car, how will you explain them and/or their reasoning? I haven't seen the entire car to know whether or not it's "hideous"; that determination is pending.

The internet is a bubble. It's very easy to feel like you're in the majority when you truly aren't. Just ask Hillary Clinton's supporters.

[martin mustang]

The large Kidney grills made them look like a pig, this one is more like a really pissed off pig

Originally Posted by GuyOh

Another render that i found.... It's hideous! ��

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by GuyOh

Another render that i found.... It's hideous! 🤮

I really hope it does not look like that.

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by snareman

It's a reasonable statement though. Any time I've seen the car posted anywhere on the internet where people have a chance to comment the comments are 95% negative. It's not just on here. I think you are about one of the only people I know who thinks it isn't hideous.

He follows in the shadow of Scott 26.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by J-RO

He follows in the shadow of Scott 26.

It has nothing to do with following in a shadow Mr. Passive Aggressive. I acknowledge that he knows more than anybody on this forum about what BMW is doing behind the scenes, so I confer with him about certain things because of that.

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It has nothing to do with following in a shadow Mr. Passive Aggressive. I acknowledge that he knows more than anybody on this forum about what BMW is doing behind the scenes, so I confer with him about certain things because of that.

Since you confer with him, in your special relationship, ask him when the 4 series will be revealed. BTW: labeling is not become of a LEO.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by J-RO

Since you confer with him, in your special relationship, ask him when the 4 series will be revealed. BTW: labeling is not become of a LEO.

I call it as I see it; directly and succinctly. THAT is how we communicate.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by GuyOh

Another render that i found.... It's hideous! 🤮

Looks great!

[solstice]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Wait till you see the imminent new 5 and M5. For the M5 they have sharpened up the front aerodynamics a bit, plus there is a bigger grille on the LCI 5.

Imminent usually mean within days but I guess this is BMW imminent meaning 3-6 months away?

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by solstice

Imminent usually mean within days but I guess this is BMW imminent meaning 3-6 months away?

Maybe mini Scott 26 knows the answer.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by GuyOh

Another render that i found.... It's hideous! 🤮

I don't know how this grille is supposed to lead to a lot of sales.

[joshuastein55]

Originally Posted by Hegge

I don't know how this grille is supposed to lead to a lot of sales.

Don't worry it has the right badge... if it works for Lexus it'll sadly work for BMW (although I would hope it doesn't so it would lead to a change in design language)

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by GuyOh

Another render that i found.... It's hideous! 🤮

Powerful aesthetics.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by J-RO

Since you confer with him, in your special relationship, ask him when the 4 series will be revealed. BTW: labeling is not become of a LEO.

This Summer.

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

This Summer.

Is this referring to dealer showrooms or when BMW will show it to the public?

[snareman]

Originally Posted by J-RO

He follows in the shadow of Scott 26.

Huh?

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

So for the thousands that will buy the car, how will you explain them and/or their reasoning? I haven't seen the entire car to know whether or not it's "hideous"; that determination is pending.

The internet is a bubble. It's very easy to feel like you're in the majority when you truly aren't. Just ask Hillary Clinton's supporters.

I'm not saying people won't buy it. Heck, I'll probably buy it as I haven't found any viable alternatives and everyone is coming out with these hideously large grilles, but as it is in the picture, I and the rest of the internet that has seen it 95% seems to think it's a bad design. Who wouldn't you think a sampling of people on the internet would be similar to a sampling of people not on the internet? Just because you are active on the net doesn't make you likely have a different opinion.

If you are active on car forums and other car places you are more likely to express that opinion as you have a place to do so, but it doesn't mean that because just because you are more active on the internet that you would have a different taste what a good looking car is.

Here's a sampling from a random FB page with comments on the most recent render.