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S58 has rpm limit of 7200 due to torque converter not being able to handle higher rpm vs. S55's 7600 rpm.
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I thought I was the only one. It sounds a bit boring to me.
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The poster said it looks planted, that's what you want to be fast no? |
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04-22-2020, 09:16 AM | #379 |
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The poster I was referring to said "effortless" speed. That is what I commented on. If this new generation has the feel, connectedness that I am referring to I will eat my hat. I don't have to wait til it comes out to know that.
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04-22-2020, 09:32 AM | #380 |
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Until the Press Cars are out and about no one will know. All we can say is it "looks" stable on the Track, not the specification the Car had nor what Systems were tested when the Video was recorded. Way to less to guess how involved the driving will be. Might be awesome, might be bad. We'll habe to wait.
I just don't get the Doom and Gloom about almost every Piece of Info we get. But that's ok, shorter delivery Times for those who want one i guess. |
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Yea right, looking at the inside wheel while the car is cornering over a crest and not under braking
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really bad design of front ........reaaaaaaaaally ,im of bmw since almost two decades and what designs are they doing with some models?........................................... .............
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There is clearly a slight crest and the front wheel is a little turned in, and I guess those must be red LED daytime running lights? |
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Most likely not. They will have tuned the S58’s powerband around that lower rev limit.
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My, an M3 with a torque converter, a transmission slower than it’s predecessor, lower revving than the s55, is that what the customers have been asking for?
In the past it was easy to point out what differentiated the brand; high revving engine, CFRP roof, SMG or M DCT, CFRP driveshaft, handling, etc. Looks like M’s engineering excellence is a victim to the company accountants.
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If you look at the engine technical data document, it says for the manual version of the S55 that is coming the redline for 6mt would be 7500 and 7200 for automatic.
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Many M customers have no clue what drivetrain capabilities are and never drive vehicles on track or take spitited drives. There are folks on this forum that claim the X M's are real M cars. WTF!!?? How often do you see them racing? Maybe they are cause M has different meaning now I guess. If you look at f80 section so many owners and buyers care about driver assistance bs features and leather more than the human-machine interface. Most M enthusiasats have or had e30, e36, e46 and e9x but are now owners of P and even Camaro, and X3s for wives. I talked to several of them at meets and hpde. Many bmw instructors moved to P after e46. This new M3 will be nothing special with a copy-paste engine/drivetrain from SUVs, horrid design and will be probably larger and heavier than F80. It will be fast though but will it be fun and connected the way even sport package 3 series used to be? |
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Sure the M3/4 have gone in a new direction than what it was years before. But I for one appreciate the new tech, amenities and everything covered in leather. Especially if someone is buying this as a DD. If I wanted more emphasis on driving dynamics, I would go old stock or even a preowned Porsche. The truth is BMW can't get away with maintaining their business by focusing purely on the driving experience without modern tech. Enthusiasts do not have enough capacity and buying power to sustain the brand.
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